elvis15 Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 Raymond wasn't going to take a $1M paycut just to stay, and he was becoming redundant to a point when we have cheaper prospects ready to step in. Raymond wasn't bad, but was a tweener and we have enough of those already that do their job as depth players better than Raymond. If we could have moved Booth then I could have seen him having a spot still, but without that extra cap and roster space on the left side, he wasn't likely coming back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodee Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 Believe it or not the fastest player on the Canucks is Dale Weise, see for yourself. http://www.vanhockey...tition-results/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bite me Burr Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 You don't trade that for picks heading into the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LickTheEnvelope Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 Fine: Raymond: 55gp, 8 Goals, 10 assists, 18 points = 0.33 ppg Samuelsson: 22gp, 9 Goals, 9 assists, 18 points = 0.82 ppg Wellwood: 22gp, 3 goals, 10 assists, 13 points = 0.59 ppg Sundin: 8gp, 3 goals, 5 assists, 8 points = 1.0 ppg The only season where Raymond was a top 5 producing playoff performer on the Nucks was last year with 2 points in 4 games. Generally he's almost invisible in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bite me Burr Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 The difference is Raymond knew how to use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodee Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 Raymond wasn't going to take a $1M paycut just to stay, and he was becoming redundant to a point when we have cheaper prospects ready to step in. Raymond wasn't bad, but was a tweener and we have enough of those already that do their job as depth players better than Raymond. If we could have moved Booth then I could have seen him having a spot still, but without that extra cap and roster space on the left side, he wasn't likely coming back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bite me Burr Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 Raymond was too soft and his scoring was too sporadic. Not a solid top 6 guy and not physical enough for bottom six, not on a contending team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodee Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 Fine: Raymond: 55gp, 8 Goals, 10 assists, 18 points = 0.33 ppg Samuelsson: 22gp, 9 Goals, 9 assists, 18 points = 0.82 ppg Wellwood: 22gp, 3 goals, 10 assists, 13 points = 0.59 ppg Sundin: 8gp, 3 goals, 5 assists, 8 points = 1.0 ppg The only season where Raymond was a top 5 producing playoff performer on the Nucks was last year with 2 points in 4 games. Generally he's almost invisible in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 I don't have the numbers on hand but i'd strongly doubt Raymond has been the Canucks 5th best producting forward in the playoffs the last 5 years... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodee Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 This was another guy MG signed way above market value. When he said "reset", I think it's fair to say there are some changes that have to be made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 Raymond is a perimeter player with speed. So what? He burns in, does a spin and falls down, his pattern play. He is super replaceable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_Canuck Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 No I actually couldn't wait til he was gone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold Hard Truth Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 Extremely happy that Raymond and Lapierre are gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bite me Burr Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 That sounds more like you.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksSayEh Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 Raymond was far from a "perimeter" player this year, he scored many goals in between the dots and off the rush/breakaways. He was a good passer, often setting up tap in goals to his linemates and some impressive stretch passes for breakaways. A good portion of his goals and points came vs playoff teams. There was a few cases where Raymond was too aggressive around the crease and/or going to the net and was called for interference. If you don't believe in resigning him, fine, but this "perimeter" garbage needs to stop. It's rhetoric brainwashing brought over from the previous, injury recovering year. Not to mention, this is a guy who takes baseball swing highsticks and pucks to the face, stays standing ( unlike a few guys around the league who would happily fall to the ice grabbing their face and peeking at the refs through the cracks of their fingers.), spits out the blood and comes back to score a goal. Breaks his back? leaves the ice on his own skates. He's certainly not gritty or physical, but he's not soft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 wow, you took time out of your life to find that, post it and to have read this... well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poetica Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 I think it was a mistake too, OP. But it seems like we're in rather limited company in that regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackberries Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 I think so. 1: He was the fastest player on the Canucks 2: He was great in the locker room and community 3: I still felt he had untapped potential. 4: He was one of the better goal scorers on the Canucks. When he was on his game, he was unstoppable. I think he made fair money for what he brought to the team and you could probably sign him right now even cheaper than what he made before... Why is he not being given another chance? Great value player as the Canucks are pretty tight up against the cap. He'll bring more than a lot of the guys getting overpaid in free agency. I'd like to see Raymond back. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobopan Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 Should of been let go earlier. He has proven to be a complete non-factor in the playoffs. He had 2 goals in that 2011 run in like 23-24 games, 1 of them being a empty netter... so no excuse should be made about his injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amish Rake Fighter Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 Raymond was far from a "perimeter" player this year, he scored many goals in between the dots and off the rush/breakaways. He was a good passer, often setting up tap in goals to his linemates and some impressive stretch passes for breakaways. A good portion of his goals and points came vs playoff teams. There was a few cases where Raymond was too aggressive around the crease and/or going to the net and was called for interference. If you don't believe in resigning him, fine, but this "perimeter" garbage needs to stop. It's rhetoric brainwashing brought over from the previous, injury recovering year. Not to mention, this is a guy who takes baseball swing highsticks and pucks to the face, stays standing ( unlike a few guys around the league who would happily fall to the ice grabbing their face and peeking at the refs through the cracks of their fingers.), spits out the blood and comes back to score a goal. Breaks his back? leaves the ice on his own skates. He's certainly not gritty or physical, but he's not soft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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