Bodee Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 It occurs to me that if Gillis was unable to get the big gritty sniper for the top line OR the big dominant stay at home D then maybe he should have looked to get better and stronger further down the line instead of handing out NTC's My point is could we have parted with Higgins, Hansen, Lappiere, Booth and maybe even Burrows sooner at the end of the 2012 season? Other teams seem to have no bother in changing faces to affect some momentum. Should we have been more flexible in our team building? He did it with Sami to good effect (although I don't think Garrison is an actual upgrade) and given a better team performance Garrison might have looked even better last season. I suppose what I'm saying is could we have gone for a grittier tougher 3rd and 4th line with a bit more skill to compensate for our lack of top 6 push back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackberries Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Well he did get rid of a key component in Raymond. ... ... ... ...... .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aladeen Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Lappy is gone so no biggie, Booth is injured and nobody will trade for a broken player and can't be bought out. Higgins has played very well at times and at 2.5 is a very reasonable contract, Hansen... talk about a money ball player. His tenacious speedy forecheck is gritty and he brings a lot to the table. As for Burrows he could be moved but only for that Big gritty top line sniper you speak of and if a deal like that ever came up you better believe MG would pull the trigger. MG has made mistakes but everything you have said here is not in line with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 This team was built for a 2011 run. Gonna take some re-tooling to make another decent go at it. Higgins contract is a concern, but not a huge one at $2mil. Burrows at $4mil is also a concern. The defense is good, but looks a bit expensive. We say they're on bargain rates, but a lot of decent guys around the league are currently being signed for more affordable prices. If the Sedins leave as UFA's next summer, that would be a fairly significant shakeup. For the time being we're being sold on the coaching change being a big help. We'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ossi Vaananen Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 The advocate for Raymond is back... this time he wants toughness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithers joe Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 he knows the type of players he wants and higgins, hansen and burrows are definately his type of players...i kind of like them too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLASSJAW Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 It occurs to me that if Gillis was unable to get the big gritty sniper for the top line OR the big dominant stay at home D then maybe he should have looked to get better and stronger further down the line instead of handing out NTC's My point is could we have parted with Higgins, Hansen, Lappiere, Booth and maybe even Burrows sooner at the end of the 2012 season? Other teams seem to have no bother in changing faces to affect some momentum. Should we have been more flexible in our team building? He did it with Sami to good effect (although I don't think Garrison is an actual upgrade) and given a better team performance Garrison might have looked even better last season. I suppose what I'm saying is could we have gone for a grittier tougher 3rd and 4th line with a bit more skill to compensate for our lack of top 6 push back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLASSJAW Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 and how ISN'T garrison an upgrade on salo? our best defenseman by far last year, imo. local boy, great +/-, great production despite his slow start. significantly younger. less risky in terms of injury... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Why would he plan for a new CBA with a dropping cap nearer the end of the 2012 season when he didn't even know it was coming yet? If he knew that he might have taken any half decent option at all for Luongo if he had that kind of future predicting powers. If wishes were ponies. As it turned out, he didn't have a crystal ball and we didn't have room for a major acquisition this summer. Instead we're dealing with a new CBA now just like every other team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABNuck Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 So who should we get then? You have presented the problem, now how about the solution. Everyone thinks it's so easy, and they point to other GM's making moves so we need to as well. But who says that the moves other GM's make will work either? It's all speculation till we hit the mat. Change for the sake of change is pointless. Change with a particular goal in mind and a SOLUTION on how to get there is worthwhile. So...suggestions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester13 Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 GMMG has consistently said that he is not going to make any quick judgments and rash moves ie. trading Booth, Burrows, Higgins, Lappy, Hansen etc as you have suggested. I, for one, am happy that he is taking this kind of approach. Sure, not all his moves have panned out, but neither do other GM's moves. How did Iggy and Morrow work out for the Penguins? People can slam MG all they want, but he is a much better GM than the Vancouver/bandwagon fans make him out to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Grabner and first rounder - D man with no return but paying Ballard's cap until the contract ends Coho (top 50 NHL sniper) - fourth line project Schneider (top 10-20 NHL goalie) - project I could keep digging but he undermined the assets with a shortsighted belief the .org's strategies were superior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakrami Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 GMMG has consistently said that he is not going to make any quick judgments and rash moves ie. trading Booth, Burrows, Higgins, Lappy, Hansen etc as you have suggested. I, for one, am happy that he is taking this kind of approach. Sure, not all his moves have panned out, but neither do other GM's moves. How did Iggy and Morrow work out for the Penguins? People can slam MG all they want, but he is a much better GM than the Vancouver/bandwagon fans make him out to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tystick Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 ehhh so trading away Schneider for a 9th overall pick without confirming that Luongo is willing to play for you next season is not a quick and rash move? Not to mention 2-3 teams would have traded more than a 9th overall pick for Schneider. No idea why people like you defend our GM with so much benefit of the doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 This team was built for a 2011 run. Gonna take some re-tooling to make another decent go at it. Higgins contract is a concern, but not a huge one at $2mil. Burrows at $4mil is also a concern. The defense is good, but looks a bit expensive. We say they're on bargain rates, but a lot of decent guys around the league are currently being signed for more affordable prices. If the Sedins leave as UFA's next summer, that would be a fairly significant shakeup. For the time being we're being sold on the coaching change being a big help. We'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bite me Burr Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Should have traded Raymond for WHATEVER before he walked away, never mind you list of others. Funny how you left Macy-Ray off that list, or is it... haha. Have a nice summer Bodee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bite me Burr Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 x2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodee Posted July 11, 2013 Author Share Posted July 11, 2013 The advocate for Raymond is back... this time he wants toughness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honeydew Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 GMMG Knows we'll have scoring down no problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCanuck Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 It occurs to me that if Gillis was unable to get the big gritty sniper for the top line OR the big dominant stay at home D then maybe he should have looked to get better and stronger further down the line instead of handing out NTC's My point is could we have parted with Higgins, Hansen, Lappiere, Booth and maybe even Burrows sooner at the end of the 2012 season? Other teams seem to have no bother in changing faces to affect some momentum. Should we have been more flexible in our team building? He did it with Sami to good effect (although I don't think Garrison is an actual upgrade) and given a better team performance Garrison might have looked even better last season. I suppose what I'm saying is could we have gone for a grittier tougher 3rd and 4th line with a bit more skill to compensate for our lack of top 6 push back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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