Primus099 Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 Yes, if anything, the fans have spoiled Luongo. Vancouver has been amazing in appreciating Lou for years, always so supportive. I have never heard a bad word spoken when he loses. It is never blamed on him, not once. This is when I explain his contract runs for MORE than the next 7 years, so have fun with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisbanks Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 i just wich we had a goalie who shuts up and stops the puck and we dont hear from him... thats how goalies used to be... but no Lu is just as much at fault for all this attention as management both agreed on big contracts both agreed to make him captain and both has turned him into a side show.... i just pray for the day we have an Elliot , Halak , Enroth, Anderson, Renne any type of goalie like that just shuts up and plays... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuongovsTuuka Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 are you trolling? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuongovsTuuka Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 i just wich we had a goalie who shuts up and stops the puck and we dont hear from him... thats how goalies used to be... but no Lu is just as much at fault for all this attention as management both agreed on big contracts both agreed to make him captain and both has turned him into a side show.... i just pray for the day we have an Elliot , Halak , Enroth, Anderson, Renne any type of goalie like that just shuts up and plays... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuongovsTuuka Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 yeah !! wow we in playoff ..but then what happen we choke so many times right ..who was the goalie that choke ,have you seen a goalie that perform worst than luo..you guy call himself an elite goalie..no wonder people around the league laghing at the canuck ..they overrated themselve ,starting with your number 1 goalie..luo is more like a backup goalie than a stater now .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 what is your definition of generational talent? Luongo does not fall under that category. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zduck14 Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 Since joining the Canucks, Luongo has averaged 37 wins per season. While I don't believe he'll keep up that pace, I do think 30 wins per year is still realistic. (if he can win 38 this year then the averages allow for a 22 win season to still average out at 33) I also think he'll end up playing until he's 40. With another 7 years at 30 wins per, he would end up at 558 career wins. I know this number sounds a little high but I honestly don't think it's out of the question that he will surpass Patrick Roy and finish 2nd all-time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Get real canuck fans Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 Yes he is. A generational talent is one of the very best of his generation. Tell me who else has been as good as Luongo for the same length of time thats still going at that high level of play now? He's going to go down in history as one of the very best, he's been around a long time, been very very good for a long time. And has a resume to show for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 To me a generational talent is someone who is a cut above anyone else they played in their generation. Luongo is clearly a few cuts below Brodeur/Hasek/Roy/ and is on the same level as a Kipper/Lundqvist/Belfour/Thomas/Miller. One could argue they all could be a cut above Lu because they all won a Vezina. Lu/Rinne/Cujo are all in the same boat to me. Are the Sedins "generational talents" as well then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 what a joke ,luo going down at the very best at what ..he won nothing in his life time..team canada gold medal ,any goalie put on canada jersey would won that gold medal..luo does not have to made any tough save ,he look sakey if you ask me ....do you fan have any knowledge of the game ...sure luo may have a nice resume ,but those resume nothing compare to goalie that just came to the league in one or two year ..have you not watch who won the stanley cup the last 3 year ..chicago with nieme,,la with quick,and chicago with crawford ..what do they are have in common ,young quick and techinally solid..those three young goalie thousand time better than luo ,so plz dont bring up his experience and resume ..he is a failure ,like i say you vancouver fan spoil him ..if he does bad ,you blame on defence or the team in front of him.but never was luo fault ,how many game have you seen ,where luo let it one bad goalie and the flood gate open for another 10 more to go buy him ...i thought this vancouver fan are much more knowledge than that .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primus099 Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 what a joke ,luo going down at the very best at what ..he won nothing in his life time..team canada gold medal ,any goalie put on canada jersey would won that gold medal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Get real canuck fans Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 Luongo is in the Belfour/Joseph exc. Group. Belfour is a Hall of famer. Luongo is a cut above Rinne, Rinne hasn't been as good as Luongo for the same length of time. Luongo will probably go down as one of the best ever, top 10-15 atleast. He is a generational talent, who has been as good since the turn of the century? Broduer is the only one I can see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 Kipper/Miller/Lundqvist/Cujo/Ward/Thomas(albeit shorter,,,2 vezinas,con smythe and Stanley cup)Even a guy like JS Giguere is in the same ballpark as Luongo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thLineGrinder Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 just spew the same old venom over and over, if confronted by facts that prove you wrong make sure to spew more of the same garbage in total denial. If more facts show up to furthur prove you wrong then it's time to attack grammer and spelling. It's so predicable at this point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thLineGrinder Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 what a joke ..he is a failure ,like i say you vancouver fan spoil him ..if he does bad ,you blame on defence or the team in front of him.but never was luo fault Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcoasting Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 then why didn't Brodeur? shut up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poetica Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 You do make some fine points, I'll give you that. And by the way, I dont loathe Luongo, what I do loathe is his lack of consistency in the playoffs. The Canucks haven't always been a no-scoring team and yet they've only made it beyond the second round once in Luongo's time here. If Luongo posted some eye-popping numbers to finish a playoff year every now and then but we still lost, I would be fine with that, but he's only done that once which of course was in 2007. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primus099 Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 Are you not old enough to remember 2002 Olympics? You have a 38 year old goaltender not in his prime in 2010 and struggling, why wouldn't you go with the younger Luongo. Do you think Lui will be a starter in the Olympics come 2018? I doubt he will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primus099 Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 I've never said consistency isn't an issue with Luo. For me, it's a concern as a part of the bigger issue with lack of consistency with the entire team. For you, as you've posted in every single thread Luo's name has ever been mentioned in, consistency is the definition of an "elite goalie" and the reason you swear Luo can not be one. How can you possibly argue that context doesn't matter? If you believe the number do tell a story, why don't you think a big part of that story is the numbers the team put up? Looking at only the first page of a book isn't seeing the full story! For example, this year Luo had a .915 SV% and a 2.58 GAA and his stats were padded a bit by going in after Cory was pulled in game 3. By your arbitrary standards, Luo wasn't good this year, but in reality he actually was. Ignoring that doesn't make it not true! My point is that you're missing a big part of the picture if you aren't looking at the team he's playing behind. You want to look at other goalies, fine. Look at them. But look at their teams too. What kind of scoring support and D are they getting? Ignoring the rest of the team is simply too shortsighted. Let me put it another way: How many goalies who meet your definition of "elite" have played consistently well in front of a crap team during the playoffs? Surely if the team has nothing to do with a goalie's stats and "elite" goalies get it done no matter what, there have to be some. Who are they? Other than the fact that you looked at Luo's stats and noticed that that's the threshold you can say he doesn't surpass, why those numbers? Is there any other reasoning at all behind those specific numbers? Otherwise, they're not a real standard, only a weapon to be used against Luo. But remember that you set those as the threshold for what is "good" in the playoffs... Wait, I thought consistency was the big issue, but now you're arguing that an "etlie" goalie is any who puts up numbers you find impressive at least once...but only if you think it was recent enough to count (since Luo's first playoff year numbers were better than most listed above)? How very inconsistent of you! And remember when above you said, "Elite goalies put up elite stats in the playoffs even if their team loses, that's what I'd love to have seen from Luongo more than just the one time. It shows they were giving their team every chance to win consistently." Are these really the only examples you can offer of goalies who meet that definition? If so, I don't think you're proving your point as well as you think. Let's look at your examples, noting that only 2 of them warranted multiple entries of stats you were impressed by. Apparently, once isn't good enough for Luo but it is for other goalies as long as that once was still in your short term memory... Crawford - 4 playoff years (37 games). Finished 2 of those playoff years below your threshold (though one year he only had 1 game.) He's a good goalie, no doubt, but given that last year he had a .893 SV% .and 2.58 GAA he's hardly proven he's an example of consistency. And this year, Chicago was the 6th highest scoring team in the playoffs. Quick - 4 playoff years (50 games). Though he has turned into the quintessential playoff goalie in the last 2 years, his first 2 years weren't great. In fact, in both of those years his GAA was over 3 and his SV% was below your threshold. And this year, LA had the 11th highest G/G in the playoffs. And they were the 3rd highest scoring team last year. Niemi - 4 playoff years (56 games). Only surpassed your threshold in this year. Finished below .900 SV% in 10/11. Has a career playoff .909 SV% and 2.65 GAA. And this year SJ was the 9th highest scoring team in the playoffs and had more power play opportunities than all but 4 other teams. Rask - Only 2 playoff years (35 games) and finished below your threshold in one of them. He also plays for freaking Boston, NHL darlin', back and neck breakers extraordinaires. Has a giant on his D squad. And this year, Boston had the 4th highest G/G in the playoffs. Vokoun - 3 playoff years (22 games) Played half of his playoff games this year in front of the highest scoring team (by a lot!) And, this year was his first playoff since 06/07 when he had a .902 SV% and 2.96 GAA. His first playoff year was actually pretty good, but it was back in 03/04. And this year, Pitts had the highest G/G in the playoffs. Holtby - 2 playoff years (21 games). Was awesome in both years, no argument there! And last year, Washington had the 11th highest G/G, which was almost half a goal per game higher than ours. Smith - 2 playoff years (19 games). His first playoff year he only played 3 games, but he absolutely played very well in both playoff years. His regular season play, however, has been very inconsistent. And last year, Phoenix had the 6th highest G/G in the playoffs. Rinne - 3 playoff years (28 games). Finished below your threshold in 2 of them. If consistency is what you're all about, he's not shown it. (And his career playoff SV% is actually the same as Luo's.) And last year, Nashville had the 8th highest G/G in the playoffs, which was over a half a goal per game higher than ours. Thomas - 4 playoff years (50 games). Finished below your threshold in the first one, but was awesome in the other 3. Played in front of Boston. (See comments above for Rask.) And Boston had the 4th highest G/G in the playoffs in both 2008/09 and 2010/11. None of these are bad goalies by any stretch or reasonable definition. But, none have shown the consistency you have said too many times to count is the earmark of an "elite" goalie. If it's possible, why can't you find examples? Also, in 8 of your 11 examples, the goalie you listed had a team in the top half (at least) of scoring during the year they recorded those stats. And in all of those examples the goalies had a team with a higher G/G than Vancouver had that year. If you're going to offer examples of how other goalies "get it done" even when the team isn't, maybe you should flip past the first page of the story and make sure they actually illustrate your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
We Are All Cynics Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 Man, it's posts like yours that make my blood boil to the point I simply must sign in. Your slanderous comments that Luongo doesn't have any timely saves staked to his career is shocking. One would have to wonder if you even watch any games before forming your own inane opinions. I'm not the best at linking on here or anything but this is game 7 of the Vancouver vs Chicago playoff series. The one where we actually beat the Hawks. I know watching a full length game is too much to ask from you, you can probably barely make it through highlights, so I've saved you the trouble of waiting. Jumpt to 6 minutes. This point right here is where I was watching this game with a bunch of friends, beer in hand, watching in horror as this play unfolded. A powerplay, in overtime, in a game 7, in a series that we were up 3-0 in, against a team that had beaten us two years in a row and I watched on in silent shock as that 2-on-1 unfolded. Though the play lasts a short while in reality, it felt like a lifetime. I couldn't breathe, I couldn't think, it looked over. Sure, in the end Sharp doesn't make the best of shots, but to discredit our boy Luo and to say he doesn't have, "the save" is an absolute joke. Everyone goes on and on about the Burrows goal. The series winner. Slaying the dragon. The real fans remember. The haters forget EVERY PIECE OF EVIDENCE THAT IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEM! What about the 2010 Olympics? Canada vs Slovakia IN THE SEMIFINALS. 10 seconds remaining on the clock. Demitra finds the puck on his stick with an empty net. Does your hater mind even allow you to remember who our goalie was? That's right, Luongo. Damn you CDC! Always getting me so riled up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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