-Vintage Canuck- Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 Are WHL prospects a waste of a pick? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 And then you have to look at what round and what position those players were drafted in. Honestly very VERY few of those players were picked in the first round. Also very few of those players are from the eastern media happy OHL and QMJHL. One could and should rightly argue that the best NHL ready players come from the WHL, the toughest grinders the best defencemen... Ya. Wasted pick for sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 I'm a little surprised but I would guess that the WHL produces more later picks than any other league due to it's hard nosed NHL style play, so you're not going to find those players in the top 10 in scoring. Exactly. The OHL focuses more on skill and scoring, whereas the WHL focuses on grittier two way hockey. Therefore good WHL players are less sought after in the first round than OHL players. That's why I think if you expanded it to the 2nd and 3rd rounds you would see that more high end WHLers make the NHL than OHLers from those rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kage0612 Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 this shows us is that you cant base a players ability purely on stats. Also, I would think that points per game should account for something because i know theres a lot of WHL talent in the NHL putting up numbers and you cant tell me none of them put up some sick numbers in junior its probable too many of them missed chunks of the season playing for the world junior team because I feel like theyve been represented quite frequently the past few years lastly when i look at those scoring leaders i think of them mostly being 20 years old trying to put up numbers to get a contract, while most of the younger stars already have been drafted and are trying to work on their defensive game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogbyte Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 Exactly. The OHL focuses more on skill and scoring, whereas the WHL focuses on grittier two way hockey. Therefore good WHL players are less sought after in the first round than OHL players. That's why I think if you expanded it to the 2nd and 3rd rounds you would see that more high end WHLers make the NHL than OHLers from those rounds. If anything it might tell you not to target a WHL'er with a top 10 pick based on point production alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grape Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 For the people who are saying this thread is ridiculous, this guy took his time in order to make a point and ask for opinions. He clearly proves what he believes with the statistics shown. If you don't agree with him, don't agree with him. You don't need to "facepalm," and say a thread is stupid to every opinion that you disagree with... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totes McGoats Posted July 20, 2013 Author Share Posted July 20, 2013 Fair enough all, I was just purely speculating. You know, having a conversation. Gave me lots to think about. Simply looking at the raw "Leading scorers" Stats, it does paint a bad picture. But it's a very biased point of view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 Shouldn't pick any player from Slovenia either. What a waste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 But to be honest, you have a point. Draft defensemen from the W and offense from the O and Q. Avoid Q defensemen. Avoid CHL goalies. These all seem to be increasing trends. But 'avoid W forwards'? Not as much of a trend. There are a lot of solid forwards from the W. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THERETOOL Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 not gonna be a jerk about it , but no .. i completely disagree .. the whl is a great league that feeds the nhl great players .. come on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogbyte Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 Fair enough all, I was just purely speculating. You know, having a conversation. Gave me lots to think about. Simply looking at the raw "Leading scorers" Stats, it does paint a bad picture. But it's a very biased point of view. Yiou should tally the Q. It would tell us alot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 I'm looking at just the Kelowna Rockets: Jamie Benn Duncan Keith Blake Comeau Alex Edler Luke Schenn Tyler Myers Josh Gorges Shea Weber You could build a Stanley Cup champion out of those players alone. Stupid thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n00bxQb Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 Jamie Benn, Edler, Weber, Keith, and to lesser extents (though they're not slouches by any means) Mikael Backlund, Sheldon Souray, Josh Gorges, Kyle McLaren and even Scott Hannan also came from the Kelowna Rockets alone. Also, give this list a read and let me know what you think. http://www.whl.ca/pa...ates-in-the-nhl Jamie Benn and Alex Edler both went to the WHL AFTER they were drafted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevforever Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 I see your point and the yes the WHL hasnt produced the "cant miss" guys that the OHL and QMJHL has but they have produced some of the best stars and guys you need to build a contending team with Its always been more defensive, 2 way players to come out of the WHL - Kelowna Rockets are a perfect example( Myers, Weber, Keith etc). 20% of the players to play at least a game in NHL last yr were from the WHL. Its actually interesting in if you took away WHL picks from the NHL you would lose players such as Iginla, Getzlaf, Weber, Lucic, Kane, Eberle, Nugent-Hopkins, Price, Hammer etc(plus those who have retired) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drouin Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 No. Why would you even ask that? Depends on the draft class, there have been a lot of great players from the W last couple years. Including . Seth Jones! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiznak Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 Being in the top of the league in scoring means nothing, since most of the players are overagers. Which means they had 3 or 4 years in the Dub (19 yrs old), before they made the jump into pro hockey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustapha Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 Most of the current NHL Players who have played in the WHL: (Most, but not all of them) Emerson Etem, Long Beach, CA (Medicine Hat Tigers) Ryan Getzlaf, Regina, SK (Calgary Hitmen) Luca Sbisa, Oberageri, SUI (Lethbridge Hurricanes, Portland Winterhawks) Sheldon Souray, Elk Point, AB (Tri-City Americans, Prince George Cougars, Kelowna Rockets) Johnny Boychuk, Edmonto , AB (Calgary Hitmen, Moose Jaw Warriors) Zdeno Chara, Trencin, SVK (Prince George Cougars) Andrew Ference, Edmonton, AB (Portland Winter Hawks) Anton Khudobin, Ust-Kamenogorsk, RUS (Saskatoon Blades) Milan Lucic, Vancouver, B.C. (Vancouver Giants) Tyler Ennis, Edmonton, AB (Medicine Hat Tigers) Tyler Myers, DeWinton, AB (Kelowna Rockets) Robyn Regehr, Recife, BRA (Kamloops Blazers) Jay Bouwmeester, Edmonton, AB (Medicine Hat Tigers) Jarome Iginla, St. Albert, AB (Kamloops Blazers) Cam Ward, Saskatoon, SK (Red Deer Rebels) Marian Hossa, Stara Lubvona, CZE (Portland Winter Hawks) Duncan Keith, Winnipeg, MB (Kelowna Rockets) Michal Rozsival, Vlasim, CZE (Swift Current Broncos) Brent Seabrook, Richmond, B.C. (Lethbridge Hurricanes) Chuck Kobasew, Vancouver, B.C. (Kelowna Rockets) Cody McLeod, Binscarth, MB (Portland Winter Hawks) Matt Calvert, Brandon, MB (Brandon Wheat Kings) Derek Dorsett, Kindersley, SK (Medicine Hat Tigers) Brandon Dubinsky, Anchorage, AK (Portland Winterhawks) Ryan Johansen, Port Moody, B.C. (Portland Winterhawks) Jamie Benn, Victoria, B.C. (Kelowna Rockets ) Brenden Dillon, Surrey, B.C. (Seattle Thunderbirds) Cody Eakin, Winnipeg, MB (Swift Current Broncos, Kootenay Ice) Vernon Fiddler, Edmonton, AB (Kelowna Rockets, Medicine Hat Tigers) Brenden Morrow, Carlyle, SK (Portland Winter Hawks) Aaron Rome, Brandon, MB (Saskatoon Blades, Kootenay Ice, Swift Current Broncos, Moose Jaw Warriors) Ray Whitney, Ft. Saskatchewan, AB (Spokane Chiefs) Darren Helm, St. Andrews, MB (Medicine Hat Tigers) Jordin Tootoo, Churchill, MB (Brandon Wheat Kings) Ian White, Steinbach, MB (Swift Current Broncos) Devan Dubnyk, Regina, SK (Kamloops Blazers) Jordan Eberle, Regina, SK (Regina Pats) Mark Fistric, Edmonton, AB (Vancouver Giants) Darcy Hordichuk, Kamsack, SK (Saskatoon Blades, Calgary Hitmen) Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Burnaby, B.C. (Red Deer Rebels) Nick Schultz, Strasbourg, SK (Prince Albert Raiders) Ryan Smyth, Banff, AB (Moose Jaw Warriors) Kris Versteeg, Lethbridge, AB (Lethbridge Hurricanes, Kamloops Blazers, Red Deer Rebels) Tomas Fleischmann, Koprivnice, CZE (Moose Jaw Warriors) Tomas Kopecky, Ilava, SVK (Lethbridge Hurricanes) Colin Fraser, Sicamous, B.C. (Red Deer Rebels) Dwight King, Meadow Lake, SK (Lethbridge Hurricanes) Jarret Stoll, Melville, SK (Edmonton/Kootenay Ice) Kyle Brodziak, St. Paul, AB (Moose Jaw Warriors) Justin Falk, Snowflake, MB (Calgary Hitmen, Spokane Chiefs) Josh Harding, Regina, SK (Regina Pats, Brandon Wheat Kings) Devin Setoguchi, Taber, AB (Saskatoon Blades, Prince George Cougars) Jared Spurgeon, Edmonton, AB (Spokane Chiefs) Clayton Stoner, Port McNeill, B.C. (Tri-City Americans ) Colby Armstrong, Lloydminster, SK (Red Deer Rebels) Brendan Gallagher, Delta, B.C. (Vancouver Giants) Josh Gorges, Kelowna, B.C. (Kelowna Rockets) Travis Moen, Swift Current, SK (Kelowna Rockets) Carey Price, Williams Lake, B.C. (Tri-City Americans) Ryan White, Brandon, MB (Calgary Hitmen) Jonathon Blum, Rancho Santa Margarita, CA (Vancouver Giants) Martin Erat, Krnov, CZE (Saskatoon Blades, Red Deer Rebels) Paul Gaustad, Fargo, ND (Portland Winter Hawks) Scott Hannan, Richmond, B.C. (Kelowna/Tacoma Rockets) Chris Mason, Red Deer, AB (Prince George Cougars) Shea Weber, Sicamous, B.C. (Kelowna Rockets) Bryce Salvador, Brandon, MB (Lethbridge Hurricanes) Michael Grabner, Villach, AUT (Spokane Chiefs) Travis Hamonic, St. Malo, MB (Moose Jaw Warriors, Brandon Wheat Kings) Arron Asham, Portage La Prairie, MB (Red Deer Rebels) Jim O’Brien, Maplewood, MN (Seattle Thunderbirds) Chris Phillips, Calgary, AB (Prince Albert Raiders, Lethbridge Hurricanes) Zack Smith, Maple Creek, SK (Swift Current Broncos) Brian Boucher, Woonsocket, RI (Tri-City Americans) Braydon Coburn, Shaunavon, SK (Portland Winter Hawks) Scott Hartnell, Regina, SK (Prince Albert Raiders) Andrej Meszaros, Povazska Bystrica, SVK (Vancouver Giants) Brayden Schenn, Saskatoon, SK (Brandon Wheat Kings) Luke Schenn, Saskatoon, SK (Kelowna Rockets) Kyle Chipchura, Vimy, AB (Prince Albert Raiders) Shane Doan, Halkirk, AB (Kamloops Blazers) Boyd Gordon, Unity, AS (Red Deer Rebels) Martin Hanzal, Pisek, CZE (Red Deer Rebels) Jason LaBarbera, Burnaby, B.C. (Portland Winterhawks, Tri-City Americans) Derek Morris, Edmonton, AB (Regina Pats) David Schlemko, Edmonton, AB (Medicine Hat Tigers) Zach Boychuk, Airdrie, AB (Lethbridge Hurricanes) Deryk Engelland, Edmonton, AB (Moose Jaw Warriors) Brandon Sutter, Huntington, NY (Red Deer Rebels) TJ Galiardi, Calgary, AB (Calgary Hitmen) Scott Gomez, Anchorage, AK (Tri-City Americans) Patrick Marleau, Aneroid, SK (Seattle Thunderbirds) Brad Stuart, Rocky Mountain House, AB (Regina Pats, Calgary Hitmen Barret Jackman, Trail, B.C. (Regina Pats) Scott Nichol, Edmonton, AB (Portland Winterhawks) Roman Polak, Ostrava, CZE (Kootenay Ice) Ryan Reaves, Winnipeg, MB (Brandon Wheat Kings) Wade Redden, Lloydminster, SK (Brandon Wheat Kings) Kris Russell, Red Deer, AB (Medicine Hat Tigers) Keith Aulie, Rouleau, SK (Brandon Wheat Kings) Eric Brewer, Vernon, B.C. (Prince George Cougars) Cody Franson, Sicamous, B.C. (Vancouver Giants) Joffrey Lupul, Ft. Saskatchewan, AB (Medicine Hat Tigers) Clarke MacArthur, Lloydminster, AB (Medicine Hat Tigers) Frazer McLaren, Winnipeg, MB (Portland Winterhawks, Moose Jaw Warriors) Colton Orr, Winnipeg, MB (Swift Current Broncos, Kamloops Blazers, Regina Pats) Dion Phaneuf, Edmonton, AB (Red Deer Rebels) James Reimer, Winnipeg, MB (Red Deer Rebels) Alexander Edler, Ostersund, SWE (Kelowna Rockets) Dan Hamhuis, Smithers, B.C. (Prince George Cougars) Jannik Hansen, Herlev, DNK (Portland Winter Hawks) Dale Weise, Winnipeg, MB (Swift Current Broncos) Karl Alzner, Burnaby, B.C. (Calgary Hitmen) Troy Brouwer, Vancouver, B.C. (Moose Jaw Warriors) Jason Chimera, Edmonton, AB (Medicine Hat Tigers, Brandon Wheat Kings) Eric Fehr, Winkler, MB (Brandon Wheat Kings) Mike Green, Calgary, AB (Saskatoon Blades) Braden Holtby, Lloydminster, SK (Saskatoon Blades) Dustin Byfuglien, Minneapolis, MN (Brandon Wheat Kings, Prince George Cougars) Evander Kane, Vancouver, B.C. (Vancouver Giants) Andrew Ladd, Maple Ridge, B.C. (Calgary Hitmen) I would say it would be stupid NOT to be scouting the WHL every year. Look at the talent, it's like a quarter of the the entire NHL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nail Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 ^^ Why would you spend so much time writing that out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Karlsson Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 ^^ Why would you spend so much time writing that out... Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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