Hunter.S-Kerouac Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 If goes out and gets Weber. Not that I think he should but more that the city would go nuts if he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 He didn't keep Bieksa over Erhoff. Both were offered similar contracts. Bieksa choose to stay and Erhoff ran for the money. To me it was Bieksa choosing to try and win a cup with Vancouver and taking less money than he could potentially have gotten on the market. Erhoff bolted beacause it was about money over the city, our fans , our team and another legitimate chance for a cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batmania Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 Ehrhoff was and is far more talented.Being offered Bieksa's contract and told that was it did not help. Gillis pushed him out.He wanted to stay and said it publicly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 Goals for: 2008=2009: Fifth in the West 2009-2010: First in the West 2010-2011: First in the West 2011-2012: First in the West 2012-2013:Seventh in the West Goals against: 2008-2009: Fourth in the West 2009-2010:Seventh in the West 2010-2011:First in the West 2011-2012:Third in the West 2012-2013:Eight in the West Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 Subtract Cory's 20 wins / .937 SV% / 1.96 GAA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batmania Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 Goals for: 2008=2009: Fifth in the West 2009-2010: First in the West 2010-2011: First in the West 2011-2012: First in the West 2012-2013:Seventh in the West Goals against: 2008-2009: Fourth in the West 2009-2010:Seventh in the West 2010-2011:First in the West 2011-2012:Third in the West 2012-2013:Eight in the West Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 Are you being serious right now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 If you think that only has to do with Hoff it's pretty pointless to have a conversation with you about this. So many things other than just the loss of a PP QB contributed to those numbers Nuck Nit. You know that and you're better than this weak attempt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batmania Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 It is pretty clear you have no idea what you are even arguing.What is your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 Assuming makes an ass out of you and me. I do a good enough job of that on my own,but thanks. 'Can Gillis redfine his career? ' is the topic. Last year was the worst wins/losses record since he arrived and he just lost his #1 goalie for a future project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batmania Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 Assuming makes an ass out of you and me. I do a good enough job of that on my own,but thanks. 'Can Gillis redfine his career? ' is the topic. Last year was the worst wins/losses record since he arrived and he just lost his #1 goalie for a future project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 Losing your third line / top 50 NHL goal scoring center for a plug project did not help-especially when the .org knew Kes needed surgery. Now the .org just performed a similar loss with Cory for a future despite having past years to trade either Luo or Cory. How about the loss of Grabner,a first round pick and Ballard for nothing? How about the losses of eight draft picks over five Gillis years,including one first,two second rounders and Hodgson and Grabner and Ballard-all former first rounders? How about retaining the top goal scoring QB d man in the league when he wants to stay on the club? How about retaining your second QB d man for an extra million dollars? Losing Cory is not going to help going into this year,given his #1 status and record last year. A healthy Kes and Booth is going to help but the MIA second line over the last 2 years has been very detrimental and the .org could not and did not address it while the winning core was relatively intact and healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batmania Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 1. Losing your third line / top 50 NHL goal scoring center for a plug project did not help-especially when the .org knew Kes needed surgery. 2. Now the .org just performed a similar loss with Cory for a future despite having past years to trade either Luo or Cory. 3. How about the loss of Grabner,a first round pick and Ballard for nothing? 4. How about the losses of eight draft picks over five Gillis years,including one first,two second rounders and Hodgson and Grabner and Ballard-all former first rounders? 5. How about retaining the top goal scoring QB d man in the league when he wants to stay on the club? 6. How about retaining your second QB d man for an extra million dollars? 7.Losing Cory is not going to help going into this year,given his #1 status and record last year. 8. A healthy Kes and Booth is going to help but the MIA second line over the last 2 years has been very detrimental and the .org could not and did not address it while the winning core was relatively intact and healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthNinja Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 This summer/up coming season IMO will make or break Gillis' GM'ing career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 If our prospects turn out to be star players. Yes. Gillis is learning some very hard lessons that you can't try and cheat in the salary cap era. He also has very few friends or GM's that would want to help him, and trade fairly with him. As a GM I'd say Lamoriello, Gillis, and Holmgren have probably made more enemies than friends, between the contracts they've signed and Philly's insane attempt at trying to steal Weber from Nashville. Gillis was already behind the 8-ball because as an ex-agent he probably didn't have a lot of goodwill from most of the GM's in the league. And despite NHL12/13 etc. trades aren't as easy as you think. Anyone can make a proposal. But given the number of NTC's we've got, who knows what other GM's are offering? Sometimes the best trades you make are the ones you don't do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck_forever Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 Only time will tell I guess... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaBestPlaceOnEarth Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 Redeem himself for what? I mean, all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, but for real in the time that Gillis has been the GM the Canucks have never missed the playoffs. They have never finished worse than third in the conference. They have won as many playoff series as they have lost, five each way. The players have won a Jennings, Hart, and two Art Ross trophies, and the team has won two President's Trophies and a Campbell uh, bowl? Whatever that thing is. The way people talk round here, you would think that we have not made the playoffs in several seasons. Don't be such spoiled, entitled-sounding chumps! The Canucks don't get a playoff spot by acclamation, we're not guaranteed a top-three seed every season, we are not always going to be contenders every season. The success the team has experienced recently is a new and beautiful thing, to me it is still fresh and incredible that we can expect the playoffs before the season even begins, that we have these high hopes and expectations, the team is relevant! People hate us! Original Six teams and big U.S. markets consider us rivals to be despised, not afterthoughts to be ignored, even the Canucks' bloggers have high profiles now. They sell out every game and make a killing on merchandise and the like. People are just casting about for a head to lop off, impatient people, with no business or hockey sense. I shudder to think what will happen the next time the Canucks miss the playoffs, all you people who only remember that one time it happened the year before we got Luongo, y'all won't even know what is going on or what to do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 Apologies if there is already a thread about this topic that I couldn't find. We all know the mess Mike Gillis caused with the goalie controversy which almost got himself fired. He promised bold moves/big changes this off-season and has already made one with trading Cory Schneider for the 9th overall pick in this years draft which turned into Bo Horvat, and there is still about a month and a half left before training camp/pre-season to make some more moves. Will he sign/trade for a third line center if he feels neither Horvat or Brendan Gaunce are ready for the show? Will he make another bold move and fill some of our needs by trading Alex Edler? Will he go off the wall and sign a top restricted free agent like Alex Pietrangelo? This summer/up coming season IMO will make or break Gillis' GM'ing career. Discuss? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westcoast Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 Will ownership allow him to transfer the teams assets into the young players he can shape into a powerhouse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander.Edler Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 Cup or Bust season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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