Kakanucks Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 super excited~ will definitely try to be at the game....anyone know when they set the date?? bure definitely my all time favorite canuck~ and the sole reason why i became a canucks and hockey fan. well deserved imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batmania Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 Hall of Fame has nothing to do with Career as a Canuck. Based on that, then we should retire Messiier and Sundin's right? You guys just don't get it - you're all falling for the "hype"... Oh my god your comparisons are awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 Heretic,you can't win because Bure was the best forward this team has ever had. This ain't about your ideas of what he should be or should have done to suit you. Most every Canucks fan adores Pavel for what he did on the ice but I also admire him for sticking up for himself. I like that he stood up for himself and that is why I wanted the statue with his back turned towards Griffiths Way. Pavel rocks. Again - I liked him when he played for us - I'm just saying he wasn't the "best" Canuck we've ever had. He played 428 games with us, and yes, he scored a lot of electrifying goals, but he left us. 5th in goals scored and 7th in points for us. That's not the "best". His goals per game average - yes, best we've had...but in his 7 seasons here, only 3 times was his plus/minus above 0.... If you're basing it on HHOF, Messier played 207 games with us...and had a far better career than Bure did. Larionov is in the HHOF as well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 Hall of Fame has nothing to do with Career as a Canuck. Based on that, then we should retire Messiier and Sundin's right? You guys just don't get it - you're all falling for the "hype"... Messier and Sundin? Really? You wanna compare players that played a combined total of 3 and a half seasons here to a player that played 7 years and almost 500 games? And absolutely the hall of fame has to do with his time as a Canuck. If he doesn't win the Calder and have back to back 60 goals seasons here, there's no way he goes into the hall of fame. This is where he made a name for himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langdon Algur Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 my guess is rangers... or jets... Florida maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowest common denominator Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 Man, I never get tired of watching these vids. Shivers down the spine every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 Loved Larionov. Messier is a despicable human. Pavel is a gem and was a superstar here. Larionov was not and Messier certainly ranks as sewer scum. It don't take your sunshine to have Pavel honored,Heretic. I actually admire Gillis and Aqualini for doing this and they don't impress me very often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 Again - I liked him when he played for us - I'm just saying he wasn't the "best" Canuck we've ever had. He played 428 games with us, and yes, he scored a lot of electrifying goals, but he left us. 5th in goals scored and 7th in points for us. That's not the "best". His goals per game average - yes, best we've had...but in his 7 seasons here, only 3 times was his plus/minus above 0.... Wow, please just stop. 5th in goals and 7 in points in 428 games. My guess is the players above him on that list took at least twice as many games to get the numbers they did. I don't see why you think 7 seasons is a small amount of time. The average player plays 4 seasons in their whole careers in the NHL. Bure played 7 of his prime years here. He didn't go to Florida until he was 28. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 1. Bure played more games as a Canuck than any other team. 2. For those who think money wasn't a factor for him moving on, take a look: -Money earned as a Canuck (7 seasons): $24.368mil -Money made elsewhere (5 seasons): $47mil ($30mil in NY) The Canucks at the time, a time of severe economic stress for the team, simply could not afford him. 3. Pavel Bure did not totally pass on all local charity duties. He did as much as any Canuck except maybe the team captain at the time. 4. Yes, a lot of ex-Canucks played more games as a Canuck. But did they have the same impact that Bure had on the Canucks? Of course not. 5. No, he didn't win a cup. No Canuck has, but without Bure, there was no 1994 run. That run is still viewed as our best shot at the cup. 6. Bure is still the owner of the several of the teams' season and playoff offensive records. 7. Yes, Bure being in the HOF is significant to Vancouver. Hint: He didn't earn that HOF nod in Florida or NY. 8. If Stan Smyl and other esteemed Canucks alumni who decide which jersey's go up have no problem with a Bure jersey retirement, then why should you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 Messier and Sundin? Really? You wanna compare players that played a combined total of 3 and a half seasons here to a player that played 7 years and almost 500 games? And absolutely the hall of fame has to do with his time as a Canuck. If he doesn't win the Calder and have back to back 60 goals seasons here, there's no way he goes into the hall of fame. This is where he made a name for himself. 428 isn't "almost 500". He also scored 58 and 59 goals playing for the awful Panthers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 428 isn't "almost 500". He also scored 58 and 59 goals playing for the awful Panthers... Playoffs count as games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCammer Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 LOL - Best Canuck? Please. Did he win a Stanley Cup for us and the Conn Smythe? The Sedins have done far more for the Canucks than Bure ever did. Heck, even Luongo has done more. Well you clearly don't have a clue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 488 games: That's how many NHL games he was dressed as a Canuck. 278 games: That's how many NHL games he was dressed as a Panther or Ranger. Pavel Bure is a Canuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 Wow, please just stop. 5th in goals and 7 in points in 428 games. My guess is the players above him on that list took at least twice as many games to get the numbers they did. I don't see why you think 7 seasons is a small amount of time. The average player plays 4 seasons in their whole careers in the NHL. Bure played 7 of his prime years here. He didn't go to Florida until he was 28. How many players that played only 4 seasons have had their jersey's retired? I agree more with TOMapleLaughs - except for his money analogy - inflation and rising salaries is why he got more later...that said, yes, the Cnucks should have paid him more...but of his 7 seasons here...his first 3 were the best...then he had 3 bad ones before playing back to his potential again before leaving...yes, he had some injuries... BTW, here's a good article as to why he left (yes, it's a few years old): http://www.puckwatch.com/2010/12/why-pavel-bure-left-vancouver.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 Playoffs count as games. Okay - you got me there. I agree, he played almost 500 games for the Canucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 Well you clearly don't have a clue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pinchin Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 What did Bure do for our franchise. For one, he shattered team records, won our first individual league award, went to the cup finals, electrified and reinvigorated a fanbase that was starving for ANY signs of hope. Looking back, it was one of the fondest times of my fandom. I don't think Bure was treated very well at the end of his tenure with us by ownership and I don't believe the rumours that he was holding out for a contract in the playoffs which has been suggested. I'm quite happy he is being honoured but I accept there are those who are not....you guys can suck it up, I'm sure it's not that big of a deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 He also scored 58 and 59 goals playing for the awful Panthers... Yeah,he reminds me of Orr.Totally reconstructed knee on several occasions and still plays better than everyone else with two knees. Rocket Richard winner-2x in Florida. Hart runner-up. Calder winner. Seven time NHL All Star. Hockey Hall of Fame member. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 Congrats to Bure! Well deserved. All the haters seem to have a rather warped view of history. If you take away all your emotional bias (a lot of it based off incorrect assumptions/information I might add)...there's no logical reason why his jersey shouldn't be hanging from the rafters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 Please name another player in the NHL who played half his career with one club (7 seasons), and the rest elsewhere (7 seasons) and has their jersey retired: Okay, name one player who has played 7 seasons with one club and had their jersey retired: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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