nuck nit Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 trying to hammer a screw, into a rock wall, naked. This best describes the Canucks 43 year record in the post season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batmania Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 This best describes the Canucks 43 year record in the post season. sure doesn't. Don't confuse unsuccessful with incompetent. Though I am right with you on the naked part in terms of how the media attempts to paint them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 I think I will join a riot and show my support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Jesus christ man if you've had this device this whole time why are you only using it now. Joking aside, you pretty much hit the nail on the head. N7 meanwhile is trying to hammer a screw, into a rock wall, naked. I'm glad I could paint you a pretty picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batmania Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 I think I will join a riot and show my support. I've always thought you already were a riot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 I live my life as quiet as a church mouse on a very small island but riot and circus do go together in the big city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 And now that peace broke out, and everybody (nearly) are friends again it is all so good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batmania Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 I live my life as quiet as a church mouse on a very small island but riot and circus do go together in the big city. 100 percent agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aqua59 Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 With all the abuse Vancouver and the fans of the team have endured, of late, I wonder what the breaking point will be for the owners? Looking back at the desperate PR stint that started with the whole "7" thing and then the Luongo as captain misadventure, the writing was on the wall for a drama-filled spectacle that could only end poorly. The Canucks are far from respectable on and off the ice as the hockey world has loudly exclaimed. I am not enjoying this era and wonder who else finds the antics of the management to be getting tiresome. The team I watched suffer through the late 80s, late 90's and into the WCE revival was never this much of a debacle, a circus; a side-show distraction that is considered a pun or a punch line for some well earned jokes.This team has a solid, respected, proud tradition ( winning isn't everything ), but is in danger of becoming an even bigger circus if nothing is done to rectify the free-fall that Gillis seems to be leading, as ringmaster. IMO, the team is on the brink of losing all credibility, especially off the ice. What could be done to salvage the miserable PR showing? Is there a way to get this back on the rails? And, why won't my enter key work here... sorry. And who will be the replacement? Speaking of Canadian franchises not one has had the success Vancouver has enjoyed. You say Circus? Have you ever been? Here's a list of Canadian franchises seemingly run by clowns. Calgary - since their trip to the CUP they've hit rock bottom because of ineptness. Edmonton- All those #1 draft choices, no play offs, no defense men or goalies drafted - still no pay offs. Toronto - They're going to have to duplicate last season before many take this group seriously Montreal,Ottawa and Winnipeg are improving. Still not as good as Vancouver. Vancouver is far from a debacle or circus. They've made some mistakes yet still find themselves the best team in Canada and a pretty goo team over all. You really should attend a circus so you know what really is when you see it.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 It wasn't necessarily the content, it was the presentation. Instead of allowing for people to present an opposing opinion and challenge what was being said, the OP was attacking. And making statements like they were facts when, in fact, they were only (his) opinion. Just as you've done here, calling people names never generates anything but negative reactions. So, unless you're Mr. T, no need to add the "Fools" part. To address your points about the "mistakes" being made: it's been said before - hindsight isn't a luxury afforded to GM's of sports teams. They have to take gambles and sometimes they pan out, other times they don't. No fault in trying things...that's part of the process, even if the decisions don't prove to be the best after the fact. And, to decide after the fact is the easy part, but it just doesn't happen that way. When you're dealing with multiple parties, one side of that can't be blamed if the other side isn't willing to enter into an agreement. So as much as we "need this and that", "getting" those things isn't quite as easy as some seemingly think it is. Sure, some of these things don't make sense now (Lu as Captain....was always a head scratcher) but, when they do work out, everyone then jumps on board. Performance reviews are necessarily hindsight. Gilles gets an F. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 It only seems like a circus because we have clowns in the media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batmania Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 Performance reviews are necessarily hindsight. Gilles gets an F. I can understand why you would say this if you were short sighted and didn't know any better. Truth is Gillis has done more good than bad for this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burrows' Breath Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 Truth is Gillis has done more good than bad for this team. That is not the truth. But whatever you're smoking must be pretty good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batmania Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 That is not the truth. But whatever you're smoking must be pretty good! Sure it is but if you'd care to go over every move and show me how there's been more bad than good done to this team by Gillis I'm all ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 That is not the truth. But whatever you're smoking must be pretty good! The team has never been more successful on the ice or the ledger. By every definition he has been an overwhelming success for the owners short of bringing home an elusive cup. He hasn't been perfect (no GM is) but he's certainly done more good than bad. The panicky, shortsighted and manic portion of the fan base who consider him a failure and on the brink of being fired, could not be further from reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 I can understand why you would say this if you were short sighted and didn't know any better. Truth is Gillis has done more good than bad for this team. Are you for real? You can only evaluate performance based on past achievements, so shortsightedness has absolutely nothing to do with it. Whether GMMG has done more good than bad for this team is not a truth, but an opinion (a clouded and uninformed one in my opinion). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanuckClown Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 Are you for real? You can only evaluate performance based on past achievements, so shortsightedness has absolutely nothing to do with it. Whether GMMG has done more good than bad for this team is not a truth, but an opinion (a clouded and uninformed one in my opinion). Performance should be judged by te decision making process - that is, what was the conclusion at the time based on the current imperfect knowledge that was available. For example, the Luongo contract. Performance judged from a perspective of hindsight is a useless exercise that offers nothing when evaluating the talent of said individual. And yes, the Canucks have never, ever been more successful - on or off the ice - than with GMMG at the helm. Show some respect or find a new team to "cheer" for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 Sure it is but if you'd care to go over every move and show me how there's been more bad than good done to this team by Gillis I'm all ears. Truth 1. Conformity to fact or actuality. 2. A statement proven to be or accepted as true. Yes the Nucks have enjoyed perhaps some their most successful years under GMMG, but one cannot conclude GMMG is responsible for that success, especially since he adopted a team with its current core in place. One might also argue that the Canucks had success despite GMMG, and that the more influence he excerts over this team, the less successful they will become. I understand this is debateable, which is why I don't call it a truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 Performance should be judged by te decision making process - that is, what was the conclusion at the time based on the current imperfect knowledge that was available. For example, the Luongo contract. Performance judged from a perspective of hindsight is a useless exercise that offers nothing when evaluating the talent of said individual. And yes, the Canucks have never, ever been more successful - on or off the ice - than with GMMG at the helm. Show some respect or find a new team to "cheer" for. And to whom am i supposed to show respect? You? I've cheered for and have had season tickets for this team since Jim Nill, son. If I see something I don't like, I'm gonna point it out. That doesn't make me any less of a fan, nor is it disrespectful.. As for circumstances surrounding decisions....well guess what, that doesn't excuse bad foresight and poor decion making. I don't get that luxury in my job, and nor does anybody with any real responsibility in their job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanuckClown Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 And to whom am i supposed to show respect? You? I've cheered for and have had season tickets for this team since Jim Nill, son. If I see something I don't like, I'm gonna point it out. That doesn't make me any less of a fan, nor is it disrespectful.. As for circumstances surrounding decisions....well guess what, that doesn't excuse bad foresight and poor decion making. I don't get that luxury in my job, and nor does anybody with any real responsibility in their job. Edit my post. Not worth the argument tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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