fagin Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 moron, idiot, mommy and it... some of these things are ban worthy, depending, I guess. Off to change my name . Only on a child like forum !jmo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hockey Fever Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 I'm still in awe that know one saw this coming after the stanley cup final? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fagin Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 I'm still in awe that know one saw this coming after the stanley cup final? I believe a lot did,but have been stubbornly waiting, for our top players to play as top players and lead us forward. Many have personal player preferences and can see no wrong in their play no matter what. The lineup in offense has continuously been changed except for our top 3 players.Personally, I don't see a change in the ability to score goals will come, until 1 or more of these players is replaced.Or we can carry on replacing complementary players and expect different results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 A couple thoughts as an outsider viewing the Canucks organization this year and what I think has gone wrong: 1) AV had a better lock on the culture of the team than Torts. I think anyone here who has been in the workforce many years has had bosses that motivated you and other whom you couldn't stand. I don't respond well to the Bobby Knight style of coaching with screaming and throwing tantrums like Torts does. I never saw AV get out of line as a professional. I was watching some program on NHL last night and they showed Torts in the coaching room of one of your recent games and he was swearing and yelling and by the looks on some of the players faces he was not connecting with them. A good leader inspires others and I don't see it with Torts. Rather his method seems to be to lead through fear and we see the results of that. 2) I know Burrows was hurt for a long time but no one thought he would fall so far from his numbers. The organization needs to decide if this is just an off-year or if he just doesn't have it anymore. His contract is a lot of money to pay for someone with only 5 points. 3) The goalie soap-opera you guys had to suffer through I think caused more damage in the long run. You can't blame Gillis for it cause it's your owner who won't eat a contract. The right move would have been to eat Luongo's contract and make Schneider the #1 but it didn't happen. 4) The Sedins are getting older - still great players and a nice core but time to add another gun to help them. Overall, and respectfully this is an underachieving team. I don't believe you need an overhaul on the players. Rather I think the coaching change was not right and his system is not right for this team. It will likely cost Torts and Gillis their jobs at season's end if you guys don't make the playoffs. You guys need a coach more like the one in Boston (forgot his name) but great leader, in control, and players work hard for him. Thoughtful post. Where Burrows is concerned, he literally fractured his foot opening night. He played a month after returning from that injury (16 games), got a broken jaw, and has played 10 games since with a jawguard. Alot of people are on a hairtrigger to write "declining" players off, but Burrows is a player I have absolutely no concern whatsoever will regain quality form. He has had an absolute horror of a season, and yet still has arguably the best underlying numbers on the team (a couple guys like Hamhuis or Hansen may be considered comparable). That is the quality of player he is imo. He can't be judged on the past few months. The team is underachieving. Their top 6 has been a revolving door of injuries for years running now. They're simply not going to be successful in the Western conference with half their top 6 and half their blueline ailing. No team would be. The difficulty is in dealing from a position of depletion. Your options are to trade healthy pieces desperately needed under the circumstances of being shorthanded, or trade futures for players that duplicate those injured on your roster - making the team sellers from a position of weakness when they need to create cap space for returning players. Those aren't really viable operating/negotiating options - so really, the best or even only course is to ride it out (short of throwing in the towel on a season where you're still in playoff contention). I think the best course, whether people like it or not, is to be patient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucsfan Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 Keep drinking the Gillis kool aid Deb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THERETOOL Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 Keep drinking the Gillis kool aid Deb. we are passionate fans .. and I love that people keep their hopes up ... but this will end in tears .. even for those people who believe so deeply .. actually , it may even be worse for them . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kassquatchian Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 Seriously? How can we take you seriously? One of our best teams ever, and you're saying they're far from respectable on the ice? Whatever. Keep stirring the pot. Horrible goaltending. Cant scoregoals. No forecheck. No emotion. 7 game losing streak. One of our best teams ever ??? Are you drunk lady? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
We Are All Cynics Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 I like a good circus except I'm scared of clowns which seems to be all that's on the ice this year. Hard to watch. Should never have put a Luongo poster above my bed. Can't sleep, Luongo will eat me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mispelled Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 Now Kesler wants out... and Lu doesn't start in the Heritage Classic.Thread seems like a glass slipper now. There is a body of work supporting this circus simile. I look forward to the trade deadline act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Standing_Tall#37 Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 Now Kesler wants out... and Lu doesn't start in the Heritage Classic.Thread seems like a glass slipper now. There is a body of work supporting this circus simile. I look forward to the trade deadline act. I don't because gillis' trade mates usually wear sandpaper condoms when dealing with him. I'd prefer a new gm with a shred of integrity to take care of the rebuild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caboose Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 Bush league move not starting Luongo today, and you can sure tell he's upset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevkev Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 With all the abuse Vancouver and the fans of the team have endured, of late, I wonder what the breaking point will be for the owners? Looking back at the desperate PR stint that started with the whole "7" thing and then the Luongo as captain misadventure, the writing was on the wall for a drama-filled spectacle that could only end poorly. The Canucks are far from respectable on and off the ice as the hockey world has loudly exclaimed. I am not enjoying this era and wonder who else finds the antics of the management to be getting tiresome. The team I watched suffer through the late 80s, late 90's and into the WCE revival was never this much of a debacle, a circus; a side-show distraction that is considered a pun or a punch line for some well earned jokes.This team has a solid, respected, proud tradition ( winning isn't everything ), but is in danger of becoming an even bigger circus if nothing is done to rectify the free-fall that Gillis seems to be leading, as ringmaster. IMO, the team is on the brink of losing all credibility, especially off the ice. What could be done to salvage the miserable PR showing? Is there a way to get this back on the rails? And, why won't my enter key work here... sorry. Not sure this is quite as bad as the late 90's with Keenan and Messier. That team, like this one, started with an aging core from the 94 run, a divided locker room thanks to the wisdom of the team to transplant one of the best captains in this city with the former captain of the team which won the cup from us (can anyone imagine if we signed Chara today and gave him the captaincy from Sedin on day 1) They went threw coaches like chewing gum from 95-97, they didn't have a GM after Quinn for over a year... it was manage by committee, there was no consistency in the trades made. Remember names like Josh Holden, Harold Drueken, Peter Scheaffer..these were the players we expected to drive the team out of the mess of finishing out of the playoffs for those years. And of course there was the Pavel Bure debacle, which didnt end until Burke arrived. That era did produce the building blocks of things to come including Ohlund, Bertuzzi, the building blocks used to draft the Sedins , Morrison, Naslund, Cooke, but we wouldnt see that until after the turn of the century. We can definately see similiarities now...trade requests, no new big name talent, a coaching style that goes against the expectations in this city from the big apple, and the mis treatment of the best player on the team (After the Heritage Classic snuff I fully support Bobby Lous trade request and would be surprised if he didnt hold out next year ala Bure). But its not as bad as the late 90s....not yet. Lockouts kill this team every time. Can never understand why, its the same lockout for all 30 teams. But Vancouver has always been the slowest to adapt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hlinkas wrister Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 A couple thoughts as an outsider viewing the Canucks organization this year and what I think has gone wrong: 1) AV had a better lock on the culture of the team than Torts. I think anyone here who has been in the workforce many years has had bosses that motivated you and other whom you couldn't stand. I don't respond well to the Bobby Knight style of coaching with screaming and throwing tantrums like Torts does. I never saw AV get out of line as a professional. I was watching some program on NHL last night and they showed Torts in the coaching room of one of your recent games and he was swearing and yelling and by the looks on some of the players faces he was not connecting with them. A good leader inspires others and I don't see it with Torts. Rather his method seems to be to lead through fear and we see the results of that. 2) I know Burrows was hurt for a long time but no one thought he would fall so far from his numbers. The organization needs to decide if this is just an off-year or if he just doesn't have it anymore. His contract is a lot of money to pay for someone with only 5 points. 3) The goalie soap-opera you guys had to suffer through I think caused more damage in the long run. You can't blame Gillis for it cause it's your owner who won't eat a contract. The right move would have been to eat Luongo's contract and make Schneider the #1 but it didn't happen. 4) The Sedins are getting older - still great players and a nice core but time to add another gun to help them. Overall, and respectfully this is an underachieving team. I don't believe you need an overhaul on the players. Rather I think the coaching change was not right and his system is not right for this team. It will likely cost Torts and Gillis their jobs at season's end if you guys don't make the playoffs. You guys need a coach more like the one in Boston (forgot his name) but great leader, in control, and players work hard for him. Excellent post. A lot of us felt it was time for a coaching change due to the last 2 playoff exits, and maybe it was time, but it's looking more and more like we made the wrong change for the personnel we presently have. Torts may come good for the organization, but its going to take time and the changing of a good percentage of the players to "his kind" of guys. Hard to say if he or Gillis will last to see it out either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tearloch7 Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 Horrible goaltending. Cant scoregoals. No forecheck. No emotion. 7 game losing streak. One of our best teams ever ??? Are you drunk lady? You lost all credibilty right there .. are you stoned, laddie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBH1926 Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 Bans/suspensions are being served like hot cakes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kilgore Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 I heard a rumour that the next American Horror Story was going to be in a Circus. We are living the great Canadian Horror Story, and its already a circus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsedin33 Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Circus' make money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mispelled Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Did anyone catch Ron Mclean's calling them a circus during the heritage classic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mispelled Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Add Luongo traded, perhaps a year or so late, for a package that likely could have been had years ago! Very strange. He tweeted his way out of town, IMO. Good for him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mispelled Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 This really is a circus. Its the media's fault though, right, Gillis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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