(Article) Schroeder’s shoulder ready for camp

[Brick Tamland]

Martin St.louis.

[Brick Tamland]

What has Schroeder done? We had a need in the position he plays and he couldn't take it and run with it. Look at what Tanev and Corrado provided in their minutes to earn their respect. Schroeder is another over hyped, small, college player without what it takes to make it as a regular NHLer on a playoff contender.

[shinkaruk98]

Just stop, that is comparing Schroeder to one of the rarest hall of fame players ever... Schroeder will not be Marty St. Louis, more like Steve Kariya

[Honky Cat]

Just stop, that is comparing Schroeder to one of the rarest hall of fame players ever... Schroeder will not be Marty St. Louis, more like Steve Kariya

[Pears]

Just stop, that is comparing Schroeder to one of the rarest hall of fame players ever... Schroeder will not be Marty St. Louis, more like Steve Kariya

[Industrious1]

I want this kid to succeed as much as anyone. But expecting anything Yzerman-esque out of him at this point is just setting the poor guy up for a bigtime fail in many impressionable fans minds.

[shinkaruk98]

I want this kid to succeed as much as anyone. But expecting anything Yzerman-esque out of him at this point is just setting the poor guy up for a bigtime fail in many impressionable fans minds.

[Industrious1]

Go tell TSN that not us.

[Drakrami]

Just stop, that is comparing Schroeder to one of the rarest hall of fame players ever... Schroeder will not be Marty St. Louis, more like Steve Kariya

[BedBeats™2.0]

Good.

Now work with a face-off specialist and learn to be deadly at the dot.

[BabychStache]

Put him on a line with Shinkaruk and Kassian, throw some coal in the engine and fire up the WCE! Toot toot!

That was the lamest thing I've ever written.

[LeanBeef]

The thing with Schroeder is that he has the speed, skill, and solid two way play which makes up for the lost size but lacks the ability to think the game as quick as other NHL regulars.

In many of the games this season Schroeder had tons of opportunities to score but seemed to hesitate a bit and got beaten by the defender.

Watching players like Conacher, Marchand, and Gallagher is very different from watching Schroeder despite similar size and skillsets.

They pass the puck quick, shoot the puck quick, and don't hesitate when there's an opportunity.

Hopefully Schroeder adapts to the quickness of the game soon and maybe someday he'll be the player we all thought he could (and still can) be.

[oldnews]

I'm not assuming he belongs in the bottom 6 - I think he could actually make a pretty good fit as Kesler's RW - a Booth Kesler Schroeder line would be a pretty difficult line to handle - great speed, all solid two way players, and Schroeder's creativity could be the element that propels that line to better production.

I'd still like to see the Canucks add another depth faceoff specialist - Steckel or Halpern - to give them a number of depth options and the possibility of a pair of centers on the 2nd and 4th lines.

[Spyderr]

Schroeder should be a playmaker on keslers wing

[howswedeitis76]

The third line is almost anyone's game right now...I can see Schroeder getting third line C easily. But, if he does, he's going to be paired with a gritty, large winger. I could easily see Richardson getting 3C and schroeder on the wing, or vice versa. I'm 90% sure that somebody is going to be playing outside their normal position, given the current lineup. Heck, for all we know it might end up being Santorelli and Booth on the third line. They've played together before and have chemistry. I think we now have a very flexible team structure this year...the problem with that is that Torts, like AV is prone to alot of line juggling...we might not get a consistent lineup till March. This can hamper chemistry, but might also make us harder to play against.

I kinda like this year's canucks, despite the naysayers...it's a perfect mix of interesting possibilities and potential for disaster. Cross your fingers, guys, hope for the former.

[newgm]

Nobody knows how Schroeder will end up, but unless his injury holds him back, he has a legitimate shot to make the team. His size shouldn't be the deciding factor although it is a factor, in his favour he has great speed, elite vision and playmaking skills, none of which can be taught. The dimwits on this board will always crucify any first round pick that doesn't meet their irrational expectations, but Schroeder has shown steady improvement since being drafted and seems to be right on schedule.

[sirwilliam]

At the same age (22), Marchand had accomplished about the same amount as Schroeder has to this point (actually much less in his first NHL season). Obviously Marchand has more sandpaper, but he's proof that size is not all-important.

It's possible for a smaller guy to play physically, and I hope that Schroeder can add a bit of that element to his game and be effective. Loads of potential.

[GUS_ADAMS]

Here's a little update from the canucksarmy on schroeders' situation with the Canucks. Pretty good read.

As Allan Tung notes over at Fansided's The Canuck Way, Jordan Schroeder is eligible for waivers this upcoming season. Last year Schroeder was up and down between Vancouver and Chicago, but it's unlikely there will be any flights to Utica in his future—and not just because there are no flights from Vancouver to Utica offered by any airline.

This throws a small wrench into the situation of what to do about the Canucks' 13th forward. Schroeder borders on being a "ANHL" player, equivalent to baseball's AAAA, a player deemed to be a star in the minors but not quite there at the top level. Since he'll be just 23 at the start of the season, it's unlikely that the Canucks will leave him open to the waiver wire.

I commented to David Ebner of the Globe after Mike Gillis' presser that it sounded that Schroeder was potentially on the trade block, and I'm a little surprised that the team has kept him around. Frankly, he's a player that was 9th out of 12 Canuck forwards in points per 60 minutes last season, dead-last in individual shots per 60 minutes and ahead of only Andrew Ebbett in goals. He put together a plus Corsi season, but was a negative Relative Corsi despite having a 60.2% offensive zone starting rate. Part of the problem was a variety of linemates and half of them weren't very much use, but his 2013 season doesn't scream "deserves a roster spot before training camp opens".

The problem is that the Canucks' should-be 14th forward is waiver-eligible, and poor decision-making on the part of the Canucks by retaining the services of both Dale Weise and Tom Sestito means that there isn't a lot of space for camp battles. Mike Gillis talked about the importance of having a clear roster spot for a battle by one of the rookies.

Even accounting David Booth's injury, the Canucks will start the season with a clear nine forwards on the roster: Daniel and Henrik Sedin, Chris Higgins, Alex Burrows, Ryan Kesler, Jannik Hansen, Brad Richardson, Zack Kassian and Dale Weise.

Tom Sestito can be pencilled in as the 13th forward, and I have to imagine that either Mike Santorelli or Benn Ferriero will be given a look. That's ten and eleven. Is Schroeder number 12? What happens when Booth returns?

Somewhere the team is missing a centreman. Unless John Tortorella is fine replacing his 6'7" Brian Boyle with a 5'9" Jordan Schroeder or a Brad Richardson that doesn't take faceoffs, the Canucks are clearly short one guy somewhere on the roster.

On defence the picture isn't as bleak. The Canucks should be fine going into the season with their six signed defencemen. Frankie Corrado and Yannick Weber are a fine-enough bottom pairing in the absence of Chris Tanev. If the team sticks to their guns and get Tanev for cheap (I had him pegged at $1.2-million in the Grabovski post, which in some people's opinion was way too low. These must be the same people that think Tanev is secretly Nick Leddy in disguise, but I can assure you that isn't the case) there's enough cap space for another forward somewhere on the roster.

The Canucks need a lot of games from Booth this year and a turnaround season for Higgins, who had a minus-11.5 Relative Corsi last season and suffered as a play-driver. More importantly, they need some sort of injection of offence, and I find it hard to believe that's going to come from Santorelli. Zack Kassian's closest comparables range from Jiri Novotny to Nick Bonino to Tim Kennedy, and while there's the occasional Scott Hartnell in the group, the list isn't exactly full of impact NHL players. The Canucks need Kassian to be an outlier, which isn't something to count on, or they need Schroeder to be an outlier, but the view of those two as legitimate "prospects" dwindles every day.

So many things have to go "right" for the team at this point and I just don't see the team being an offensive powerhouse (they'll be more than fine defensively to compete for a shot at the 2013 playoffs) but there's some empty cap space that should be used somewhere.

It's going to be weird to find the odd man out. Torts didn't use his fourth line much in New York, so I'd think that Weise and Sestito's roster spots are secure. Schroeder is in place, as is Kassian. Is there a trade on the horizon? The team simply can't run with the same forward crew as last year that was 19th in the league in scoring.

So, uh, that's where we are today. The London Knights seem to think there's just a 70% chance that the team will get Bo Horvat or Max Domi back to their team, but in the case of Horvat the real figure likely has three digits. There's just no roster space on this team for upgrades, even if there is some available cap space.

[AFrame14]

The third line centre job is Schroeder's to lose.

[Drouin]

I could see a line of

Burrows-Schroeder-Hansen

being successful