UFCanuck Posted August 10, 2013 Share Posted August 10, 2013 Can't possibly be worse than Paul Holmgren's rep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primal Optimist Posted August 10, 2013 Share Posted August 10, 2013 MG's reputation around the league is that he gets easily ripped off. I think this reputation developed when he traded Cody Hodgson (All signs pointing to a first line center) for Zac Kassian (Big, physical, but looks like a bust). Actually, I am pretty sure this reputation is why MG had trouble trading away Luongo. All the GMs ever interested in Luongo wanted a steal out of it. And congrats to MG for further strengthening the reputation this summer with the Schneider trade. Literally, the Canuck's janitor could have gotten more than a 9th overall pick for Schneider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Light Bearer Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 MG's reputation around the league is that he gets easily ripped off. I think this reputation developed when he traded Cody Hodgson (All signs pointing to a first line center) for Zac Kassian (Big, physical, but looks like a bust). Actually, I am pretty sure this reputation is why MG had trouble trading away Luongo. All the GMs ever interested in Luongo wanted a steal out of it. And congrats to MG for further strengthening the reputation this summer with the Schneider trade. Literally, the Canuck's janitor could have gotten more than a 9th overall pick for Schneider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Light Bearer Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 what should he have gotten? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BedBeats™2.0 Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 Watching all of the draft days in different formats, you can see MG having dialogue with ALL other GM's. I really do not feel he has a bad rep at all. I think his Hockey background, mixed with his law background probably has earned him much respect. I reckon he has a good rapport with his fellow GMs, but i bet he is regarded as hard-nosed but ultimately fair. People also forget that MG is not the sole architect of what happens with players. Gilman is pretty much in GM mode when MG is in President mode. I speculate that MG is bad cop and Gilman is good cop when it comes to dealing with players, agents, and transactions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSVII Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 Its a business. There may be perceptions but if the nucks have assets another gm wants they'll still deal w Gillis On a lighter note, with how gillis' recent trades (schnedier and hodgson) are perceived, gms should be tripping over themselves to do trades w gillis :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 I think you have to consider the fact that this is a professional league. This is not a sandbox where people are meant to throw sand in other people's eyes. Teams still dealt with Burke despite his occasional drama, and at the end of the day each team is going to be out for themselves. This isn't a office lunchroom with staff trying to spread rumours about people. These are professional men who make phone calls and each GM is there to represent his best interests for his team. I honestly think stating that his reputation is "tainted" is a tad immature when you consider the fact that these people are living a dream of being able to GM a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiCHC3 Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 He likely does have a bad reputation. - Player Agent -> GM. You don't make many friends here... - He's slow to make decisions, I bet he drags out potential trades or deals with other teams. - We all know he overvalued Luongo and made every GM turn their heads. - Take a look at how we treated some of our players... Naslund, Ohlund, Cody (yes, he wasn't sunshine and roses), Salo, Ehrhoff, Grabner, Schneider, Sammuelson, Malholtra -- ick, Torres, etc. The man is brilliant in so many respects, but I get the feeling he has a tendency to be obnoxious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viking mama Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 What would you have expected from trading Schneider? I am very curious. Oh and You know how they say Dmen take time to mature into the NHL job? So do players expected to play the role that Zack Kassian is expected to play. I am not saying he is a top line blue chip prospect, but I am not saying he is a bust either, but the Cody for Zach trade is far from being able to be determined in who got the best of the other GM...last count we had our side of that trade under contract and the other team doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Fatigue Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 He likely does have a bad reputation. - Player Agent -> GM. You don't make many friends here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viking mama Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 I think you have to consider the fact that this is a professional league. This is not a sandbox where people are meant to throw sand in other people's eyes. Teams still dealt with Burke despite his occasional drama, and at the end of the day each team is going to be out for themselves. This isn't a office lunchroom with staff trying to spread rumours about people. These are professional men who make phone calls and each GM is there to represent his best interests for his team. I honestly think stating that his reputation is "tainted" is a tad immature when you consider the fact that these people are living a dream of being able to GM a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowest common denominator Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 Something that I have never seen mentioned is that MG suffered a serious injury as an NHL player and was hung out to dry by his team. I think this is what spurred him on to his career as a lawyer, which in turn lead to him being a player agent. I can't remember the story exactly but he got his degree and then went after the team that burned him and got his just desserts, or something to that effect. Sorry for being lazy but I don't feel like googling right now. So, yes, there is basis and history for other teams not wanting to bend to MG's will and it stretches back to the 1980s and stems from MG the NHLer. That being said, if I were a current GM, I wouldn't mind getting buddybuddy with MG. I bet he is seen as a mark around the league, just look at his trade history yikes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 LOL. Burkie's different. He doesn't forgive...or forget. And there is an "old school" dis-trust of your business partners thing still going on...with the league's politics. It is far from harmonious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Brahma Bull Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 I'm sure some think he is a complete moron for how he dealt with the Schneider/Luongo situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1Canuck4Ever1 Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 I would think not But they tried Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Light Racicot Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 Wouldn't surprise me in the least for all his doubletalk. And its not as if its uncommon for GMs to feud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 Gillis was voted GM of the year jsut a couple of years ago. Panel is 40 members including all 30 GM's, 5 league exec's and 5 media members. So 34 of his colleagues and 5 media. People can question some decisions, but he runs one of the most profitable sports franchises in North America and definitely has the respect of his peers! Although i doubt Burke voted for him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 WELL... A very good family friend is a scout with a Western conf team, he's very good friends with many people in the biz, and I asked him about Gillis when I was back in BC in June. He told me that Gillis does have a bad rep, and even within the organization. He said Delorme and the scouting staff have been asking GMMG to draft WHL players for quite some time now and all MG does is override them ALL THE TIME. He also said (rhetorically) to ask Snepsts what he thinks of Grabner--HS was apparently fuming. And about AV and his apparent hate on and favouritism of some players... 100% true. FWIW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viking mama Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 Something that I have never seen mentioned is that MG suffered a serious injury as an NHL player and was hung out to dry by his team. I think this is what spurred him on to his career as a lawyer, which in turn lead to him being a player agent. I can't remember the story exactly but he got his degree and then went after the team that burned him and got his just desserts, or something to that effect. Sorry for being lazy but I don't feel like googling right now. So, yes, there is basis and history for other teams not wanting to bend to MG's will and it stretches back to the 1980s and stems from MG the NHLer.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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