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Okay I gotta know... Why is Pronger still on LTIR when he's retired?


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Well if he is still having symptoms then he's still injured.

Let's say you work at a mill and have a contract to work at that mill and insurance to cover you if you're injured. Now you lose your leg and cannot go back to work. Should your contract be tossed because you're not "officially" retired yet you'll never work again?

What a dumb argument we have here...

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Making the cap hit kick back in after 82 games on LTIR would solve this. Will the NHL hurt Boston and Philly though? I think we all know the answer.

It's blatant circumvention of the cap - more egregious than the Lu contract even & they made a special rule for that.

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Well if he is still having symptoms then he's still injured.

Let's say you work at a mill and have a contract to work at that mill and insurance to cover you if you're injured. Now you lose your leg and cannot go back to work. Should your contract be tossed because you're not "officially" retired yet you'll never work again?

What a dumb argument we have here...

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That's not even close to relevant or comparable to what we are talking about here. What should be happening is if he will never play again his contract should be payed by the NHL team instead of by insurance and his cap should count against the teams cap, instead of the team circumventing the cap hit by him being on LTIR.

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How is it circumventing the cap if the guy is legitimately injured? The team still takes the cap hit for the duration of the contract. It's just that they are allowed to exceed the cap up to the value of that player's contract in order to replace the injured player.

And as for who pays... whether the player's salary is paid by the team or by the insurance company has no relevance on the cap hit.

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Pronger still gets paid - win

Cap hit doesn't count towards Philly's salary cap - win.

win-win.

Pronger was injured while on the job, he deserves the salary he was promised. Its not like he was injured eating pancakes off the ice. + his injury will affect his life potentially for the rest of his life.

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The circumvention is not based off him being injured or not. It is based on whether or not it is known to him and management that he will never play again. There is essentially no doubt, he is injured. Him being on LTIR if it is known to him and management that he has decided (or is being forced by the injury) to retire but is just not making it official, is relevant to the cap hit.

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It's obvious that he won't play again, this is all to help both the Flyers save on the Cap and Pronger in still getting paid. It is almost an insurance scam.

I have no love for what he is going through. This is justice. He is now suffering the same as the many opponents the Pronger permanently damaged over the years. Pronger was a nasty player

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It's really not at all about whether he knows if he will play again it's whether he would intend to play if not injured and the answer to that is "yes". As long as he intends to play the game and is legitimately injured there is no circumvention going on here and in fact the LITR is doing exactly what it is supposed to do. The thing is without him skating and training there is no way of knowing if Pronger would have been in good enough shape to finish out his incredibly long contract. That I doubt but without him staying in tip top shape will never know how his body would have aged.

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It's really not at all about whether he knows if he will play again it's whether he would intend to play if not injured and the answer to that is "yes". As long as he intends to play the game and is legitimately injured there is no circumvention going on here and in fact the LITR is doing exactly what it is supposed to do. The thing is without him skating and training there is no way of knowing if Pronger would have been in good enough shape to finish out his incredibly long contract. That I doubt but without him staying in tip top shape will never know how his body would have aged.

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Hope he gets hit in the head again while he isn't playing.

Serves him right for playoff so dirty and concussing player after player. Dirt bag tried ending keslers career too... hopefully his son hits him with a football?

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