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John Tortorella has got at least one thing right.

Obviously it’s not the power play.

It’s his emphasis on striving to win every game, every point, even if it means Mike Santorelli gets more ice time than Sidney Crosby and the Sedins get more than your average woolly mammoth.

The Canucks have played a quarter of their season and it’s gone better than expected. They’ve clobbered the east (7-3-1) and had their most successful road trip in team history (5-1-1). They have just about every player — save David Booth, Jason Garrison and Alex Burrows — close to meeting expectations, or surpassing them.

Yet, they are fifth in the Pacific Division, and ninth in the west, in winning percentage (at .600).

This making the playoffs thing is going to be complicated.

How would you answer this brain teaser: What’s more likely this season, the Canucks win the division or miss the playoffs?

The NHL has managed to do the impossible with its realignment. It’s made the regular season matter again in Vancouver. This, after five straight division titles, four of them without breaking a sweat, since GM Mike Gillis arrived. Now the Canucks are facing a different type of pressure. Every game counts.

It makes the missteps more critical, like the power play experiments that have miraculously made that group more futile. There’s not much room for counterintuitive moves that flop, like taking Alex Edler off of the first power play unit. The power play, third last in the league Tuesday, has impressed in only one way, its ability to underperform.

But Tortorella has been right about the ice time. Three of the NHL’s top five forwards in per-game ice time continue to be Canucks (Ryan Kesler and the Sedins).

It speaks to the urgency of the coaching staff this year, and there are lots of reasons to feel urgent already — not the least of which is the quality of the Pacific Division, against which the Canucks are 3-4-1.

There has been concern in the media, and within the Canucks management too, the ice time top forwards are playing is not sustainable.

David Booth is probably not going to alleviate the problem. But, hey, let’s see how he plays first after being recalled Tuesday from serving his three-game sentence in Utica, where he had one assist.

The team could use Jannik Hansen, a puck-possession barbarian, back in the lineup. But there’s always going to be injuries.

What the Canucks do need this year is the addition of an impact forward, whether it be a sniper, or, much more likely, a centre. And, if they are really going to go for it, it’s probably best management that follows Tortorella’s lead and take a sooner-than-later, let’s-get-this-done approach. Pick the right guy and make it happen.

This has been a quietly good calendar year for Gillis. First and foremost, he got the right coach. Can you imagine this team with Dallas Eakins trying to lead it?

The Edler and Sedin extensions are quality, value deals for the club and completed without distraction, long before landing in the muck that is the July free-agent market. The Chris Higgins extension was a decent one and at a fair price.

The success of cheap pickups like Ryan Stanton and Mike Santorelli help wipe away the slime left behind by the Derek Roy washout. Darren Archibald looked good before being sent down for Booth Tuesday, and Jeremy Welsh has shown potential while the Carolina Hurricanes pick up 40 per cent of his salary. Not bad.

The next move, however, is probably the most difficult one. How can the Canucks add a forward without making the same mistakes they did with Sami Pahlsson and Roy? That is, acquire someone who actually makes the team better.

The Canucks have made offers for Steve Ott before, and he could be traded out of Buffalo this year and can probably be had for cheap.

His $2.9 million salary cap hit would be prohibitive here though. The same could be said for Wayne Simmonds, who is reportedly available and loved by the Canucks, but maybe not at his $3.9 million cap hit.

The best fit, depending of course on what Tortorella thinks, appears to be Marcel Goc, the $1.7 million centre in Florida. The Panthers may be eager to make moves but seem in no rush to trade the cheap, minute-chewing forward.

Even if they were, he wouldn’t exactly ignite the fan base here, and especially being yet another ex-Panther coming to Vancouver, a path that has been marred by a couple of appalling deals.

But, hey, Gillis has been on a roll since January.

from the province - Botchford.

I have to say I agree with some of the points that Botchford makes in this article. I don't think the center depth we have will be sustainable and aquiring another center or impact winger would make this team better dealing from an area of strength, defense. I think Corrado is more than capable to play at the NHL level and he would fill in at defense after a player departs. Marcel Goc from Florida is not available according to other sources so that wouldn't be a possibilty. Not saying that the timing is right for a trade now but I would be expecting Mike Gillis to explore options like this.

Would it be the right move for the Canucks to go the trade route and make their forward group stronger? A lot of teams are in the market for defensemen at the moment. Philladelphia and Ottawa are some examples not in the West.

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Panthers:

Versteeg i'd shy away from at 4.4mil per for 3 more years.

Kopecky can play all forward positions and is a big body, but hasn't provided much offense this season for $3mil.

Goc is a decent 2-way center who can win draws, but apparently Florida wants to keep him.

Matthias is a youngish big center, but his contract is great and there will be a bidding war.

I'd shy away from Fleischmann. Decent talent, but not the kind we need.

Boyes is approaching over the hill status and would be a power play specialist only.

Upshall is pretty much done, along with Bergenheim.

Campbell is not worth $7mil per.

Jovo's done.

Kulikov will be expensive to retain and not quite worth it.

Weaver would be a decent 3rd pairing depth option. Certainly better than Alberts. But he's a RH, and we need a LH more.

No thanks to Thomas, Gilbert, Gilroy or Mottau.

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Bitchford trying to get attention been quiet lately, same crap different pile.

He has been pretty quite when it comes to his criticism of the team lately. Could be avoiding the ire of Torts by not having a Torts vs "sports columnist" situation. As was the case in New York with the whole Torts vs Brooksie affair. I don't think Botchford has it in him, to go against Torts.

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Gillis will not make a trade necessary to push the Canucks into contention. He will tinker and we will mire around with an aging core barely making the playoffs never having a chance at the cup nor a good draft pick.

And the more we call him out on it, the better chance we have of pressuring management into either tanking or giving us a real chance to win the cup. Sitting in the middle with aging Luongo and Sedins is a waste of time.

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I feel like at the end of the year Mike Cammelleri might be a solid option for the Canucks as a rental. He might be expensive but I think we could fit him into the cap with all the money saved on LTIR.

Burr + Sedins

Kes/Cam/Booth

Hansen, Santi, Higg

Kass, Rich, Weise

Would be the weakest 2nd line in the nhl but the best 3rd line in the NHL.

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I'm all for making a trade when it makes sense, but I wouldn't be making Florida the focus. I'm not saying Botchford is universally wrong in all his assertions, but I will say he is wrong in some. OK, I have a bias, I nominate Botchford for the biggest douche in the universe award, I have little time for his over the top editorials and he is pretty much the paparazzi of Vancouver sports media. He does have a valid point or two though, mainly we dodged a bullet with Torts over Eakins, that could have been a disaster. I have an issue with him saying Garrison is under performing. Yes, Garrison is in a little slump but he has played well this year and I'm sure will again. I'd be careful to label him under performing and go with inconsistent. Give up on Ott as well, that ship sailed when he signed his last contract.

As for the ridiculous question of whether it's more likely we miss the playoffs or win the division, I'd say there is little chance of either. That is typical Botchford asking a question that has no real answer. There is the optimist's answer and the pessimist's answer...then there is reality, we will just have to wait and see.

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Doesn't take a genius to know Gillis will have no choice but to make a deal; and it doesn't take a writer to realize that the Canucks have lacked secondary depth for almost a decade.

Gills' only problem is he's lost his touch on making a 'decent' trade since Lapierre/Higgins/Ehrhoff..... his last deals were Kassian (still TBD), Pahlsson (the guy wanted to retire and DIDN'T even want to be here - someone forgot to do a check on that) and Roy (overpaid and just never fit in)...sorry but Welsh's cap is borderline AHL PRO and I'm not really sure why they traded for Dalpe...

If the team thinks they can survive a full year (and an Olympic one at that) with Kesler/Sedins and Santorelli <?> playing insane minutes over the course of the entire year and teams not figure out how to shut down an entire line then this season is doomed - don't let a 'road trip' success early in the year fool you; the Canucks have struggled beating teams this year who are in playoff contention and a couple injuries to Hansen and Schroeder have decimated their lineups. This doesn't happen to teams like LA/SJ/Chicago = they have the depth and the prospects to step up.

The upcoming 6 game homestand will determine whether Gillis pulls a significant 2-3 player to fill holes in the offense or sit on his hands till the off-season wondering what KHL cast-off he'll sign to a PRO contract for the Comets.

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Id be willing to look at any option. Moulson, Eberle, Kane, Yakupov, Hall?. Some will cost more than others, prefer someone who isn't a rental and if they are, get em early rather than waiting till the deadline.

Center or winger, doesn't really matter to me, I think Santo/Schroeder/Richardson/Kes? can be fine if we are adding a legit wingman. Chicago did it with poor C depth, but stacked outside.

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It's easy to say who would be a great addition to the team if you don't have to concern yourself with cap hits and a valuable asset going the other way. There will not be a quality return for Booth, Schroeder and a 1st. Our cap space is just over .5m and most valuable players have NTC, which can be worked, but limits the offeres. Also, it sounds like Florida will not be trading Goc anytime soon.

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I feel like at the end of the year Mike Cammelleri might be a solid option for the Canucks as a rental. He might be expensive but I think we could fit him into the cap with all the money saved on LTIR.

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We don't save any cap with LTI. It just allows us to exceed the cap for a replacement player.

But perhaps Botch sent this over to Dreger so they could come up with the next big Vancouver rumour to get attention:

Darren Dreger@DarrenDreger

Vancouver Canucks have\had interest in Marty Reasoner, however, told Reasoner is reconsidering his playing future.

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He has been pretty quite when it comes to his criticism of the team lately. Could be avoiding the ire of Torts by not having a Torts vs "sports columnist" situation. As was the case in New York with the whole Torts vs Brooksie affair. I don't think Botchford has it in him, to go against Torts.

Yeah, unless he could do it on Twitter I doubt Botch would ever stand up to Torts. Torts has a spine and will look you directly in the face while he challenges or questions your thought/logic. Even if he's wrong, he'll look you in the face and be wrong. Botchford tweets insults to teenagers.

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Not Botchford's worst, but never really take his, nor Gallagher's, hockey input seriously, when they actually get away from their dramatic prattle and around to talking hockey.

He's wrong about Pahlsson, who played some excellent hockey in his short stint here - it was the top 6 that was hobbled and not producing.

Adding a top 6 forward in the 3, 4 or 5 million cap hit is a waste of time to be talking about - it's not realistic.

He finally says something sensible (an unoriginal proposal however), and then backtracks with weak comments about how failed the deals with Florida have been (a staple of CDC that generally fails to contextualize) and suggesting that a deal should be motivated by 'igniting the fanbase'.

A player like Goc makes a lot more sense than he realizes.

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Not Botchford's worst, but never really take his, nor Gallagher's, hockey input seriously, when they actually get away from their dramatic prattle and around to talking hockey.

He's wrong about Pahlsson, who played some excellent hockey in his short stint here - it was the top 6 that was hobbled and not producing.

Adding a top 6 forward in the 3, 4 or 5 million cap hit is a waste of time to be talking about - it's not realistic.

He finally says something sensible (an unoriginal proposal however), and then backtracks with weak comments about how failed the deals with Florida have been (a staple of CDC that generally fails to contextualize) and suggesting that a deal should be motivated by 'igniting the fanbase'.

A player like Goc makes a lot more sense than he realizes.

Isn't Goc one of Florida's untouchables?

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