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Slovaks are mindless slaves to a failed state so they have nothing better to do than post drivel

This. This post is a ???? stupid mean thing to say. So its alright for the egyptians to protest, the syrians to protest, but as soon as the ukrainians do something, you refer to them & all slovaks as slaves, who have nothing better to do. why the hate for the ukrainians? Huh? Explain. UKRAINIANS RULE!

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Ukraininans are jobless bums?

Ukrainian unemployment rate at end of 2013 = 7.6%

Canadian unemployment rate at end of 2013 = 7.2%

I visited Kiev Ukraine in Sept 1990. During the collapse of the Soviet Union and just months before Ukraine became independent. beautiful city, decent people.

See, not the only one that doesn't agree with @torterellatheboss. SO there, see, research before you post @torterellatheboss.

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Well seeing how this all began because Ukraine refused to sign EU agreements is an obvious indication. I don't believe the USA is directly involved since this a EU issue but they are part of it indirectly, McCain and other USA government officials were parading around with cakes a few weeks ago.

Also the EU labels the government illegitimate yet they are still willing to work with them if they sign the agreements? Like I said in my previous post the EU doesn't care for the well being of Ukraine, instead they see this an opportunity for political gain. Why don't they wait till upcoming elections? or request a referendum? Just because a small far western region of Ukraine demands this change doesn't mean the whole country does.

It is Warhippy lol and what did he do?

You really think this is about the EU? The EU is falling apart.

The election that voted in the current government was extremely close. The party that won had heavy support with ethnic Russians and only a minority of support from ethnic Ukrainians. Since winning the election the government has taken an ultra Pro-Russian stance and is propping up Russian corporations. He's even gone as far as proposing that Russia become an official language.

People are not risking their lives protesting over the EU.

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This. This post is a ???? stupid mean thing to say. So its alright for the egyptians to protest, the syrians to protest, but as soon as the ukrainians do something, you refer to them & all slovaks as slaves, who have nothing better to do. why the hate for the ukrainians? Huh? Explain. UKRAINIANS RULE!

You're really going to make me explain that? Really? Not EVEN going to scroll back and put it together that i was mocking Tortorella the Boss?

Wow....does it hurt being you some times?

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Regardless of what you choose to believe there are people in danger over there for their beliefs. There are people standing up for what they want and believe in.

While we in Canada and the west get bent over and basically prison sexed by our governments with a smile.

If Canadians had a fraction of the stones that the Czechs the Brits, The Irish or...even the bloody french did maybe just maybe we'd have a government that worked for us, not themselves, their wallets and their largest coporate contributors

haha...good one. All of these countries had to be milked dry by the unsustainable social demands that each of their governments so willing served up by heaping mountains of unmanageable debt and unfunded liablities on the heads of their future generations before the people developed "stones". What you're seeing now is the rage that comes when the beloved welfare state is drawn and quatered before their eyes.

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haha...good one. All of these countries had to be milked dry by the unsustainable social demands that each of their governments so willing served up by heaping mountains of unmanageable debt and unfunded liablities on the heads of their future generations before the people developed "stones". What you're seeing now is the rage that comes when the beloved welfare state is drawn and quatered before their eyes.

That is not true. What you're seeing in the Ukraine is a country fighting for it's OWN future not yet another soviet yoke thrown over their neck. The former Soviet bloc countries never had a chance at "socialist" programs as you call them as they've only found their footing over the last 29 years

By the By, those evil socialist countries so fondly bandied about by the less informed, happen to be the Nordic and middle Eurpoean countries and they universally all have decent economic structures and outrank Canada and the US in everything from cost of living, education, quality of life and happiness and health care.

Those damned socialist countries....taking care of their people. How dare they

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Any proof that the "West", or the USA specifically, is involved in this?

Because we are not stupid and can put simple pieces together. US still denies they did the coup against Venezuela in 2002 but anyone who can rub any two of their brain cells together can put pieces together.

To somehow suggest that western governments, who have interfered in nearly every country's internal affairs, are sitting back with a bag of popcorn and their hands are clean in Ukraine is reaching far beyond the average naivety of a human being. If you can't accept that the west is interfering in Ukraine's internal affairs then I suggest you throw another 'support our troops' magnet on your car...

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Because we are not stupid and can put simple pieces together. US still denies they did the coup against Venezuela in 2002 but anyone who can rub any two of their brain cells together can put pieces together.

To somehow suggest that western governments, who have interfered in nearly every country's internal affairs, are sitting back with a bag of popcorn and their hands are clean in Ukraine is reaching far beyond the average naivety of a human being. If you can't accept that the west is interfering in Ukraine's internal affairs then I suggest you throw another 'support our troops' magnet on your car...

Exactly this is western hypocrisy at its finest. When something happens in western countries don't you dare get involved, but when there is revolution in non-western countries all is fair game. I can't wait till further competition re-emerges in global affairs.

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Nope, its awesome being me all the time. Just can't stand idiots.

Well, it's a good thing you went back and re-read what I wrote and why I wrote it.

Man, a person who didn't for clarification....why they'd almost be an idiot. Good thing ya did then B)

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Well, it's a good thing you went back and re-read what I wrote and why I wrote it.

Man, a person who didn't for clarification....why they'd almost be an idiot. Good thing ya did then B)

Ya, that's human nature I guess. Read one thing, without thoroughly reading it, then jumping to conclusion, then its like, 9h yea, ok. Human natures funny that way.

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Exactly this is western hypocrisy at its finest. When something happens in western countries don't you dare get involved, but when there is revolution in non-western countries all is fair game. I can't wait till further competition re-emerges in global affairs.

Agreed, but let's be clear about Ukraine right now. You have a government in place that is slightly independent and making its own choices - this is unacceptable for the western governments. This govt postponed a trade deal with the EU and all of a sudden you have fascism poster boy John McCain parading around with the pro-business pro-western stooges in those rallies against the democratically elected government in Ukraine. Now the violence against the police and government in Ukraine is similar to the violence financed and supported by the western governments in places like Venezuela, Bolivia, etc etc. These are right wing protests.

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Ya, that's human nature I guess. Read one thing, without thoroughly reading it, then jumping to conclusion, then its like, 9h yea, ok. Human natures funny that way.

My step dad was a 1st gen Ukranian and through him I've a fair handle I would think on what and why over there.

I guess the closest thing would be in Canada if Harper won by the slimmest of margins again with more questions of electoral fraud had all sorts of legitimacy questions surrounding his win and then told us all to suck it we are going to merge with 'Murica and become one big ol 'Murican continent; while simultaneously shutting down essential services and answering mob's and protests with violence in the streets to quell the masses.

We live in exciting times

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Agreed, but let's be clear about Ukraine right now. You have a government in place that is slightly independent and making its own choices - this is unacceptable for the western governments. This govt postponed a trade deal with the EU and all of a sudden you have fascism poster boy John McCain parading around with the pro-business pro-western stooges in those rallies against the democratically elected government in Ukraine. Now the violence against the police and government in Ukraine is similar to the violence financed and supported by the western governments in places like Venezuela, Bolivia, etc etc. These are right wing protests.

I agree with almost everything that has been said, except for the fact the government isn't exactly independent since Russia dictates its actions. The thing I don't necessarily like in these situations is the way social upheaval is handled. I mean we live in the 21st century and we have access to organizations like the UN. If western governments truly want to promote democracy they need to promote referendum and elections, not meaningless destruction. Since this hasn't reached the stage of Syria or anything related they should have at least tried to promote change via political process not violence..

We are basically at a standstill in terms of the way we handle democracy. Just because a small minority wants someone out doesn't mean they have the right to do so with violence. Form a coherent political party/platform and be ready to fight in elections. That is the correct way

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My step dad was a 1st gen Ukranian and through him I've a fair handle I would think on what and why over there.

I guess the closest thing would be in Canada if Harper won by the slimmest of margins again with more questions of electoral fraud had all sorts of legitimacy questions surrounding his win and then told us all to suck it we are going to merge with 'Murica and become one big ol 'Murican continent; while simultaneously shutting down essential services and answering mob's and protests with violence in the streets to quell the masses.

We live in exciting times

There is nothing comparable with the current situation in Canada and Ukraine, even with hypothetical scenerios. Please don't make such a comparison. Even the way you mix up the roles of the powerful neighbour in each case, Russia and the US, needs to be re-evaluated.

Ukraine is an economically semi-developed country with strong cultural and economic ties to Russia. The current govt indeed has had many diplomatic fights with the Russian government, and has never cancelled any agreement with the EU; it simply postponed it due to the unfair dealings on the part of the EU. And that's the fact that is widely and purposely lost in western media reports on Ukraine. Ukrainian govt was all ready to go ahead with this EU deal but was low balled by the EU. So Ukraine simply countered by saying not for now.

They were democratically elected after years of failed pro-western governments with policies that brought worsened systematic corruption and poverty to Ukraine. And now the elitist pro business tycoons are being fed along the way to overthrow this democratically elected government.

I hope Ukraine wins, and the US and the EU and their rioters lose.

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Is it lost on everyone that these aren't pro-EU protests anymore? This is about deposition of Yanukovitch and his family and the corruption that goes with it. The guy is a bandit (who did time for assault), not a democratic leader.

I wonder if it's even feasible to have a revolution that isn't automatically western backed. Nobody is even proving a shred of evidence, it's just a given. Ridiculous.

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Sorry guys, I was (mostly) joking.

It's something we make fun of Ukraine for, since they're technically not "communist" any more, we joke by saying they live in a hippy paradise so to speak....

Same could be said for Slovakia (and trust me, there's many jokes about us).

No offence meant.

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That is not true. What you're seeing in the Ukraine is a country fighting for it's OWN future not yet another soviet yoke thrown over their neck. The former Soviet bloc countries never had a chance at "socialist" programs as you call them as they've only found their footing over the last 29 years

By the By, those evil socialist countries so fondly bandied about by the less informed, happen to be the Nordic and middle Eurpoean countries and they universally all have decent economic structures and outrank Canada and the US in everything from cost of living, education, quality of life and happiness and health care.

Those damned socialist countries....taking care of their people. How dare they

Happiness indeed. Why waste your time in a second rate country like this then. I'd be happy to drive you to the airport myself. Just say when.

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Is it lost on everyone that these aren't pro-EU protests anymore? This is about deposition of Yanukovitch and his family and the corruption that goes with it. The guy is a bandit (who did time for assault), not a democratic leader.

I wonder if it's even feasible to have a revolution that isn't automatically western backed. Nobody is even proving a shred of evidence, it's just a given. Ridiculous.

A lot of people on this forum with agendas. What's actually going on in the Ukraine:

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The protestors are protesting the Pro-Russian corrupt government. The government is putting the interest of Russian corporations over their own citizens. Like I said before, no one really cares about the EU. The EU is on the verge of falling apart anyways.

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