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This year 53 games in Kesler is first in TOI for forwards, Daniel is 3rd and Henrik is 15 although having as much as 4 less games played than some of the players above him. The last full season(11-12) Henrik was 38, Kesler was in the 40s and Daniel Sedin was in the 105th spot. Daniel this season played 1146 minutes in 53 games, in 2011/12 he played 1354 minutes in 72 games. All this and Kesler has been through a huge amount of injuries, Henrik has ended his streak, Daniel has been horrid since the Keith incident and although they are all in good shape, they are all older and apparently on the decline according to the brilliant minds on CDC

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No they aren't being worked too hard. They are finely conditioned athletes. They thrive on playing and playing a lot. Not one player has ever been quoted as saying, gee I wish I had less ice time.

Yeah they sure thrive(sarcasm). Daniel is probably having one of his worst seasons since joining the NHL, Kesler has been MIA for a lot of this season and Henrik isn't doing so hot either

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Their early-season icetimes were absolutely unsustainable, but nobody was complaining about it as the Sedins looked elite as they racked up relatively easy points in October before being re-signed to their last contracts. The objective was to justify their re-signing, imho. But the inevitability of their decline has become much more apparent since.

At the time though the CDC braintrust was claiming their elite play was sustainable. That was impossible, of course.

Of course we should have kept the Sedins around (the alternative was a serious dive for McDavid initiative), but yup, they're going to need much, much more help going forward.

Unless Gillis has some Jedi mind tricks up his sleeve to convince GM's to give us their good young players on cheap contracts again, we are likely going to become Calgary. Soon.

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Yeah they sure thrive(sarcasm). Daniel is probably having one of his worst seasons since joining the NHL, Kesler has been MIA for a lot of this season and Henrik isn't doing so hot either

You have likely never played competitive sports if you don't think players play better with more playing time. All you have done is picked a random idea and claimed it is the reason for their lack of point production. All three are having poor years...if you compare them to their career best years. The team is still competing for the playoffs, what more do you want?

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You have likely never played competitive sports if you don't think players play better with more playing time. All you have done is picked a random idea and claimed it is the reason for their lack of point production. All three are having poor years...if you compare them to their career best years. The team is still competing for the playoffs, what more do you want?

and you are deliberately ignoring that they are all struggling to produce in a year where their ice time is at an all-time high. All players want to play all the time. That doesn't mean it is in their long-term best interest to do so. Kesler playing almost 27 minutes is ridiculous. That's the kind of minutes top D-men (Chara, Karlsson) play and those are far easier minutes than a PF plays.

Running a mini-marathon the day before you run a full marathon is not a recipe for success. This group will have nothing left come playoffs based on their current level of ice-time. What contender has a 4th line that gets 2 minutes?

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Their early-season icetimes were absolutely unsustainable, but nobody was complaining about it as the Sedins looked elite as they racked up relatively easy points in October before being re-signed to their last contracts. The objective was to justify their re-signing, imho. But the inevitability of their decline has become much more apparent since.

At the time though the CDC braintrust was claiming their elite play was sustainable. That was impossible, of course.

Of course we should have kept the Sedins around (the alternative was a serious dive for McDavid initiative), but yup, they're going to need much, much more help going forward.

Unless Gillis has some Jedi mind tricks up his sleeve to convince GM's to give us their good young players on cheap contracts again, we are likely going to become Calgary. Soon.

The only way that would happen is if we trade the majority of our prospects/pick to try to make a run for the cup like Calgary did and failed. This is a throw away season. We are either not going to make the playoffs (which I think is unlikely), have another 1st round exit or maybe 2nd round by a miracle.

I don't see any trades helping us beat SJS, LA, ANA, CHI or STL in a 7 game series. There's is just no way this season, it would be a miraculous upset if we even got past one of those teams.

The West is that damn good this season.

Our best bet is to wait till the off-season when the cap goes up because we are going to have a bunch of cap to possibly sign one the best available FAs. The trade market will also open up when the cap goes up so we can make a move if necessary.

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and you are deliberately ignoring that they are all struggling to produce in a year where their ice time is at an all-time high. All players want to play all the time. That doesn't mean it is in their long-term best interest to do so. Kesler playing almost 27 minutes is ridiculous. That's the kind of minutes top D-men (Chara, Karlsson) play and those are far easier minutes than a PF plays.

Running a mini-marathon the day before you run a full marathon is not a recipe for success. This group will have nothing left come playoffs based on their current level of ice-time. What contender has a 4th line that gets 2 minutes?

How do you know they will be too tired? Those three are in the top 10 of ice time/game along with Crosby, St Louis, Ovechkin, Kopitar, Tavares, etc. I don't hear anyone worried about those guys ice time and burnout for the playoffs.

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Unless Gillis has some Jedi mind tricks up his sleeve to convince GM's to give us their good young players on cheap contracts again, we are likely going to become Calgary. Soon.

Lol (:picard:)

As for OP, yea they are being played a lot but Torts and the players addressed this at the beginning of the year. Torts plays the players that are doing the best and isn't afraid to do so. Long story short, players are getting monitored daily and if there are any signs showing something negative, it's redirected to Torts and he compensates by reducing the icetime they get.

Basically, yea they are being played quite a bit but they know so and are doing so cause they are capable. If it's hurting them or was hurting them, they wouldn't so I don't think it's that big of a concen. Really respect Hank for ending his ironman streak...needed maintenance for his bruised body and he let go of a very tough streak to do so. Was best for him and the team as others get a shot to prove more and gives a better chance of playing healthy with less risk.

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How do you know they will be too tired? Those three are in the top 10 of ice time/game along with Crosby, St Louis, Ovechkin, Kopitar, Tavares, etc. I don't hear anyone worried about those guys ice time and burnout for the playoffs.

All of those players are young and in their prime except St. Louis. Why don't you let Jagr play 27 minutes a game of have Brodeur play all 82 games plus playoffs
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How do you know they will be too tired? Those three are in the top 10 of ice time/game along with Crosby, St Louis, Ovechkin, Kopitar, Tavares, etc. I don't hear anyone worried about those guys ice time and burnout for the playoffs.

Based on the Sedin's play this year and Kesler's recent struggles, I would say they are already showing they are tired. If they are as good as you say and deserving of all that ice time, they should be producing accordingly. Kes had 1 shot in 27 minutes last night. Sestito has recently been as much of an offensive threat with his limited minutes as Daniel. IF the top players are producing with high minutes, okay but if they are seriously struggling, just maybe that has something to do with it.

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