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I don't trust him and if indeed there is a trade, this will happen:

Mike Gillis traded Kesler for Shaq and claimed that, even though Shaq doesn't know how to skate, he will give the team the toughness that is missing since he got here. Then he would throw Kesler under the bus by saying that he and his dad have been asking for a trade since, well very long time ago, and he has been dealing with Kesler's problem more than any other players on the team.

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I don't trust him and if indeed there is a trade, this will happen:

Mike Gillis traded Kesler for Shaq and claimed that, even though Shaq doesn't know how to skate, he will give the team the toughness that is missing since he got here. Then he would throw Kesler under the bus by saying that he and his dad have been asking for a trade since, well very long time ago, and he has been dealing with Kesler's problem more than any other players on the team.

And don't forget, it was "always the plan" to trade him. That's why he was playing so much this year. To showcase him.

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Yes. I think either the deal would be ridiculously high or there will be no deal at all. Gillis knows that his job is on the line and he is one bad trade away from unemployment. When it comes to someone like Kesler there is no room for fumble. That's why he has named his price so high. (20-25 year old established center to replace at a significant amount of what he does. A top prospect, as well as a first round pick.) I'm sure if a trade happens, we will be happy with the result, unless he's offered the house, Mike Gillis won't pull the trigger.

On another note, I wouldn't mind a package like Boone Jenner, Kerby Rychel, and a first round pick. Good for both teams and makes sense. At least to me anyway.

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I dont think it comes down to mike gillis ... the whole front office is in dissaray .. Im sure mr gillis is more than capable of making a good deal ... I beleive any good business is built from the top down .... at the top we have Francesco ... that should tell you everything you need to know

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I used to think Gillis was awesome, now I cant stand the guy at all. We can say Ehrhoff wanted money and Kassian will be good someday and Torres was a loose cannon, and those all may be valid points, but the fact is, that old team worked. Ehrhoff scored lots of goals with the Sedins, Torres brought a great amount of grit, and CoHo was at least producing points. Salo was also a very steady calming partner for Edler. But the point was, they worked well with the players we had and the system in place.

Mike let everyone of these players walk away and added nothing for our next run, whether it be arrogance or ignorance, either way I see it as his fault. Now this once fine team that we thought would be a long dynasty, in a few short years later has become the worst team in the league (judging by L10 being 1-8-1) with our best players wanting out (Lu and Kes) and our franchise twin superstars literally giving up. I don;t blame these players, they signed on for cheap thinking they had a chance at the cup, and now they get stiffed for what they could be earning to play on the worst team in the league. All that extra money the players took a discount for added up to Luongo's 5.3 just sitting on the bench (or Corys 4), Ballards 4.2 sitting in the press box, and Booths 4.2 sitting at home in a cast (not his fault though). I gotta feel sorry for this team, Torts came in expecting a team close to the cup, and soon realized this team had way too many holes that for some odd reason MG downright refuses to acknowledge . I feel bad for the coach and this team. I think Mg left them out to dry.

This Kesler trade is all this teams fans really has left to look forwards too asides from an Edler trade, so can he pull off a real trade? It should be a slam dunk, this is a gem of a player, but I'm not so sure, it will depend on how far he strays from his money ball antics. If there is one thing I think MG can do, its demand a big return for a star player, its what the other GM's seem to complain about, so I hope they are right. God speed MG, your job is on the line with this one imo. All the lifelines the last GM left you are almost gone, you have a couple more pieces in Bieksa and the Sedins, but thats about it.

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I used to think Gillis was awesome, now I cant stand the guy at all. We can say Ehrhoff wanted money and Kassian will be good someday and Torres was a loose cannon, and those all may be valid points, but the fact is, that old team worked. Ehrhoff scored lots of goals with the Sedins, Torres brought a great amount of grit, and CoHo was at least producing points. Salo was also a very steady calming partner for Edler. But the point was, they worked well with the players we had and the system in place.

Mike let everyone of these players walk away and added nothing for whatever reason whether it be arrogance or ignorance, either way I see it as his fault. Now this once fine team that we thought would be a long dynasty, in a few short years later has become the worst team in the league (judging by L10 being 1-8-1) with our best players wanting out (Lu and Kes) and our franchise twin superstars literally giving up. I don;t blame these players, they signed on for cheap thinking they had a chance at the cup, and now they get stiffed for what they could be earning to play on the worst team in the league.

dude thats exactly right ...
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Trades by Gillis:

Grabner + 1st for Ballard :rolleyes:

Hodgson for Kassian (Breaking out season for hodgson. Could have gotten way more for hodgson if he let other GMs know cody was available. If he really wanted kassian, he could have gotten him less at the time)

Schneider for 9th. (Horvat is good pick but schneider should have fetch more than just a 9th)

Samuelsson for Booth with his long term high cap hit (cap dump by FLA).

Kesler for ?? ( Rumour Gillis is very reluctant to trade him west. Who cares at this point. Get the best offer. IF Chicago offers something decent like saad/teravainen +, dont refuse it. It also helps with the bidding war as well.

Dont even entertain the idea of Sutter unless Maatta is included.

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Trades by Gillis:

Grabner + 1st for Ballard :rolleyes:

Hodgson for Kassian (Breaking out season for hodgson. Could have gotten way more for hodgson if he let other GMs know cody was available. If he really wanted kassian, he could have gotten him less at the time)

Schneider for 9th. (Horvat is good pick but schneider should have fetch more than just a 9th)

Samuelsson for Booth with his long term high cap hit (cap dump by FLA).

Kesler for ?? ( Rumour Gillis is very reluctant to trade him west. Who cares at this point. Get the best offer. IF Chicago offers something decent like saad/teravainen +, dont refuse it. It also helps with the bidding war as well.

Dont even entertain the idea of Sutter unless Maatta is included.

i just dont get people defending mg ... I think he's a good guy who has tried his best ... but his record shows he blows
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Trades by Gillis:

Grabner + 1st for Ballard :rolleyes:

Hodgson for Kassian (Breaking out season for hodgson. Could have gotten way more for hodgson if he let other GMs know cody was available. If he really wanted kassian, he could have gotten him less at the time)

Schneider for 9th. (Horvat is good pick but schneider should have fetch more than just a 9th)

Samuelsson for Booth with his long term high cap hit (cap dump by FLA).

Kesler for ?? ( Rumour Gillis is very reluctant to trade him west. Who cares at this point. Get the best offer. IF Chicago offers something decent like saad/teravainen +, dont refuse it. It also helps with the bidding war as well.

Dont even entertain the idea of Sutter unless Maatta is included.

We were going to lose Grabner for nothing and Mitchell went to L.A. with Hamhuis listening to much bigger offers. Ballard is a hindsight thing but if we never got Hammer it would have been a better trade.

What more could we have got for Cody? When we wanted Ott that was the price demanded if you were curious to his value from another GM. You don't trade like you draft (BPA) you trade for players you are looking for and Kass was on the radar for us.

Cory was an amazing deal considering the glut of NHL goalies out there. The market for goalies is pretty dead. It was a good deal and this is from a guy that preferred Cory over Lu. I know there were rumours that Edmonton offerred more but there are equal rumours that offer was what we asked of them and they said no.

Gillis flipped two players that had less combined points for the guy coming back. Booth got hurt, if he didn't it would have been a good deal. That's just bad luck as you can;t foresight an ankle injury that could happen to any player.

Being desperate to trade kesler even though he's under contract for two years with a smaller cap hit would be a bad move. If the right deal (overpayment) came along, then pull the trigger but a trade just to make one? No thanks. Kesler can ask for trades all he wants (if he did, I doubt it) but Gillis is under no obligation to do so.

I won't pretend that I am happy with the team right now but Gillis has turned around a bad Vancouver team before, lets see how it goes. If we get worse the we may get the 2015 1rst overall pick in the end. Win win?

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I used to think Gillis was awesome, now I cant stand the guy at all. We can say Ehrhoff wanted money and Kassian will be good someday and Torres was a loose cannon, and those all may be valid points, but the fact is, that old team worked. Ehrhoff scored lots of goals with the Sedins, Torres brought a great amount of grit, and CoHo was at least producing points. Salo was also a very steady calming partner for Edler. But the point was, they worked well with the players we had and the system in place.

Mike let everyone of these players walk away and added nothing for our next run, whether it be arrogance or ignorance, either way I see it as his fault. Now this once fine team that we thought would be a long dynasty, in a few short years later has become the worst team in the league (judging by L10 being 1-8-1) with our best players wanting out (Lu and Kes) and our franchise twin superstars literally giving up. I don;t blame these players, they signed on for cheap thinking they had a chance at the cup, and now they get stiffed for what they could be earning to play on the worst team in the league. All that extra money the players took a discount for added up to Luongo 5.3 just sitting on the bench (or Corys 4), Ballards 4.2 sitting in the press box, and Booths 4.2 sitting at home in a cast (not his fault though). I gotta feel sorry for this team, Torts came in expecting a team close to the cup, and soon realized this team had way too many holes. I feel bad for the coach and this team. I think Mg left them out to dry.

This trade is all this teams fans really has left to look forwards too asides from an Edler trade, so can he pull off a real trade? It should be a slam dunk, this is a gem of a player, but I'm not so sure, it will depend on how far he strays from his money ball antics. If there is one thing I think MG can do, its demand a big return for a star player, its what the other GM's seem to complain about, so I hope they are right. God speed MG, your job is on the line with this one imo. There aren't any more real life lines coming down the pipe from the last GM.

Gillis has made mistakes,but he has done some good things too....Obviously,the Canucks as this group hit their peak in 2011..A lot of the core were 30 or close to...so a dynasty wasn't going to last (unlike the Hawks and Kings with 24 year old core players)..In Retrospect ,Gillis should have broken this team up a year ago..but that's hindsight now.......The Canucks do have pieces to get a good start on a retool..I actually have faith that Gillis will turn the ship around.

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I don't trust him because of past history, but the thing with Kes' trade would be theres so many teams bidding for him that if a trade were to go through, it would most likely be the top bidder and therefore a good return.

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Gillis has made mistakes,but he has done some good things too....Obviously,the Canucks as this group hit their peak in 2011..A lot of the core were 30 or close to...so a dynasty wasn't going to last (unlike the Hawks and Kings with 24 year old core players)..In Retrospect ,Gillis should have broken this team up a year ago..but that's hindsight now.......The Canucks do have pieces to get a good start on a retool..I actually have faith that Gillis will turn the ship around.

Don't get me wrong, he did a good job setting us up for the cup run. His trade for Ehrhoff was brilliant, getting Torres and Lapierre for the run was also excellent foresight. Getting players like the Sedins, Burrows, and the D-core to sign for relatively cheap in a money hungry market was very good on his part. Issue is now, those players played well so Gillis rewards them with a big contract to compensate them for their good job, only thing is now, they are getting paid for all the great work they did while we had a good team. Once the team got worse, the Sedins and Burrows are getting paid more, but are no longer able to produce the same when we had Ehrhoff, Salo, Malhotra and Torres backing them up (especially on the PP where most of our goals came from). Our 2011 bread and butter was our PP, and we got rid of our PP specialists! Like I said before, we can argue until we are blue that Ehrhoff was only about money, but he made that PP work well. Since when did money become such a big issue for this franchise anyways? I'll tell you it wasn't money or term that was the issue, it was Gillis and his self imposed rules about signing players long term or to signing players to larger contracts then the Sedins. Rules need to be broken sometimes for the greater good. I think this rule was his downfall. When you get a player who makes you win a lot, you sign him, period.

You are right, I think with the right trade, this team can be turned around. But it has to be the right trade, and some other things need to be done to this roster to bolster it up, I don't think it needs a rebuild, but I think this year we just need to pack our bags early and just hope for a top 10 pick, maybe we will get lucky and draft a better version of CoHo.

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I have 100% faith in Mike Gillis. The only bad move I think he made was letting Ehrhoff walk. Other then that, all the signings he made, literally, are huge discounts.

The problem is those discounts only matter of you can take advantage of them. Sure we saved 6-7 million, but we also had Luongo's 5.3 (or Cory's 4) sitting on the bench and Ballards 4.2 sitting in the pressbox every single game. So we weren't really at an advantage at all. The players who took a discount did so for no real good reason, not only that, they got to see their money and that cap go to someone who didn't even want to be there (Luongo). They have been playing at a disadvantage and for less money pretty much the whole time. Remember this has been going on for a long time, years even! Luongo is still on this team somehow, eating cap space on the bench, kind of disheartening wouldn't you say? For him and the other Canucks That all lies on Gillis.

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Anyone else hear Jeremy Roenick's interview on Team 1040 from earlier tonight?

J.R. said that he spoke with Kesler during the Sochi games. At that time, to paraphrase J.R., Kesler expressed that he's 100% committed to the Vancouver Canucks and that he loves the city, loves the fans here, and feels a deep sense of loyalty to his teammates. According to Roenick, and this is based on what was said during their one-on-one conversation, it would be very difficult to imagine Kesler ever asking the Canucks for a trade.

Compare that to the Sochi report where a guy tweets that Kesler was overheard at some bar saying he wants out of Vancouver and was supposedly naming potential trade destinations. Later, that guy admitted that his "source" came 2nd or 3rd hand (basically someone told him that they talked to someone who heard from someone else that they'd heard Kesler say these things).

Somehow, I'm more inclined to believe Roenick's version of things.

I mean, J.R. has no reason to lie about this. In fact, he's generally pretty anti-Canucks and he had some choice words for the organization and its handling of Luongo/Lack (during the same interview). He has no problem stirring the pot, especially when it comes to the Canucks. But in the case of Kesler, Roenick seemed pretty sincere when he suggested that the trade request story makes zero sense based on what he's been told directly by Kesler.

As for the Louis Jean report, it's never passed the sniff test for me. Basically, the story is that Kesler asked for a trade prior to the 2013-14 NHL season. But for some strange reason, the original "source" just held on to this information for half a year? Nothing reported until we're getting close to the trade deadline (and just coming off of the spotlight of the Olympics)? Seems a little too well-timed.

Now I'm not going to say that the Canucks haven't been listening to offers on Kesler. I'm even inclined to believe that they've been active in discussions. The team's in serious trouble and they need to consider every option. Kesler is their most valuable asset and it only makes sense for them to consider a trade.

But I'm feeling more and more like Kesler and his agent were actually telling the truth when they denied these rumours.

So do I trust MG to make a good Kesler trade?

It depends. I'm not even sure that Kesler is willing to waive his NTC.

I put zero stock in the tweets reporting that a list of teams has been submitted. Maybe it's true. Maybe not.

Like I've been saying over and over: these "insiders" have nothing to lose when they fabricate stories. If Kesler gets moved, they'll be able to claim that they had "sources" that predicted the outcome. If nothing happens, they can use the tired old "MG's asking price was too high" story and run with another ever-popular item about "the futility and blunders of the Vancouver Canucks."

These guys have all the angles covered. Whatever happens with Kesler, the "insiders" will maintain that their "sources" were accurate.

But if Kesler does get moved, my suspicion is that MG's fingers will have been all over the build-up to the trade (including the timing and substance of the rumours). And if Gillis has the stones to plant a "trade demand" story and toy with Kesler's reputation, then hopefully he also has what's required to get a pretty good return on this asset.

My gut feeling, however, is that the trade deadline passes with Kesler remaining a Vancouver Canuck.

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Perhaps the demand for Ryan Kesler will teach the childish imbecilic fans of vancouver how valuable this player really is for once....

Sid wants him, Kane wants him, every playoff team wants him...why? because he is a player that can put a team over the top to win a cup...

hmmm

maybe if we want to win a cup...we need ryan kesler?

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Since I cant imagine this organization is considering icing the same line up next year (who is going to pay to see this team score 1-2 goals most games) then its time for some major changes anyways whether Kesler is dealt now or later.

Id much rather Gillis not be assigned to this task, I should think he has had his chance. His record with trades and drafting leave very much to be desired. He still seems to have much to learn after all these years (nice coaching change there Gilly, masterful reset) :rolleyes:

If the Aquas have any brains at all then they have probably been seeking a replacement for some time now. No doubt there are many candidates for such a coveted position, assistant GMs who have spent years learning on the job for example.

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