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23 minutes ago, coastal.view said:

some goalies can pick up their game for the playoffs

some do not

some actually perform worse under the pressure

 

without having played a playoff game

we do not know how marky will actually respond

there is information missing still

 

nucks had full information about luongo

in 2010 - that is the year you picked for your comparison

luongo had a lot of playoff experience by then

 

luongo dragged the nucks into the playoffs his first season with them

he was really the sole reason the nucks won the first round that season

he is a hall of fame goalie and had an amazing stat record when he joined the nucks

 

markstrom is none of these.. he is just a very good regular season goalie for the past 1 year or so

and has taken several years to get to his peak

 

even with a goalie as good as luongo was, the nucks did not go on their deep playoff run till their 4th season with him

he was much younger then markstrom when luongo was at his peak

not sure why you think these 2 players are comparable

 

It’s not the goaltenders that are similar. It’s the importance of the goaltender to the team that is similar. 
 

I don’t think Demko or DiPietro nor a rental can do what Markstrom currently does.

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1 minute ago, Me_ said:

It’s not the goaltenders that are similar. It’s the importance of the goaltender to the team that is similar. 
 

I don’t think Demko or DiPietro nor a rental can do what Markstrom currently does.

i don't disagree with you

but you have built into your post an assumption that nucks will go to the finals with markstrom this season

i doubt that

the 2010 nuck team and this current team are not in the same position in terms of team maturity

if it does take 4 seasons to go really deep, can you really say that marky will still be at his peak?

i am a bit skeptical about that as it is just as likely that he will be slowing down around then

 

so am not sure he is the goalie to take us deep deep into the playoffs

we may find out in his first playoff venture that he is not all we hope

even if he does very well, it generally takes multiple playoff efforts to become stanley cup contenders

it could be equally reasonable to find that younger goalie now

 

the nucks will find out about marky this playoff season as they will make the playoffs

they may have that younger goalie now in demko

i'm hoping he gets a game or 2 in the playoffs as well

if they both do very well

i'm thinking the odds are better to keep and go with demko moving forward

he is way more likely to be at his peak when the team peaks

if that happens, your comparison of marky to luongo, and the implied comparison of that team to this team, will be moot

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1 hour ago, coastal.view said:

i don't disagree with you

but you have built into your post an assumption that nucks will go to the finals with markstrom this season

i doubt that

the 2010 nuck team and this current team are not in the same position in terms of team maturity

if it does take 4 seasons to go really deep, can you really say that marky will still be at his peak?

i am a bit skeptical about that as it is just as likely that he will be slowing down around then

 

so am not sure he is the goalie to take us deep deep into the playoffs

we may find out in his first playoff venture that he is not all we hope

even if he does very well, it generally takes multiple playoff efforts to become stanley cup contenders

it could be equally reasonable to find that younger goalie now

 

the nucks will find out about marky this playoff season as they will make the playoffs

they may have that younger goalie now in demko

i'm hoping he gets a game or 2 in the playoffs as well

if they both do very well

i'm thinking the odds are better to keep and go with demko moving forward

he is way more likely to be at his peak when the team peaks

if that happens, your comparison of marky to luongo, and the implied comparison of that team to this team, will be moot

I have been advocating for keeping both Markstrom and Demko of course.

 

It’s more about the effect of losing Markstrom now and go into uncharted territory with an even more unknown factor as the last line of defense when goaltending is one major reason the Canucks are where they are...

 

Markstrom so far, has proven he can shut the door with all star saves.

 

Yes, the playoffs are another beat altogether. But I believe Markstrom gives the Canucks the best chance right now.

 

The Cup is still three or more years away. But as we speak, we have a team. Anything can happen. Last year Cup teams fell apart in the first round.

 

The playoffs are crucial and we may be surprised. The fight-back has suddenly appeared and I believe it starts in goal.

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8 hours ago, coastal.view said:

some goalies can pick up their game for the playoffs

some do not

some actually perform worse under the pressure

 

without having played a playoff game

we do not know how marky will actually respond

there is information missing still

 

nucks had full information about luongo

in 2010 - that is the year you picked for your comparison

luongo had a lot of playoff experience by then

 

luongo dragged the nucks into the playoffs his first season with them

he was really the sole reason the nucks won the first round that season

he is a hall of fame goalie and had an amazing stat record when he joined the nucks

 

markstrom is none of these.. he is just a very good regular season goalie for the past 1 year or so

and has taken several years to get to his peak

 

even with a goalie as good as luongo was, the nucks did not go on their deep playoff run till their 4th season with him

he was much younger then markstrom when luongo was at his peak

not sure why you think these 2 players are comparable

 

I don't mean to split hairs with you, but Luongo hadn't played a playoff game until he came to the Canucks. All his amazing stat records were from the regular season, though his regular season "eliteness" was over a longer period than Markstroms.

 

As well, the only "big" game Luongo ever won was the 2010 Olympic Gold.  He gave up the OT goal in the 1998 WJC to Russia...and his performance in Game 7 in 2011 cup finals left a lot to be desired.

 

IMHO, Markstrom has been the primary reason why the Canucks sit second in the Pacific Division at this time. I can't predict the future, but Markstrom at the age of 30 doesn't have the "mileage" on his body that Luongo did at the same age.  So, I believe (maybe hope is the better word) that Markstrom has several years left in him (and with the technical improvements he's made with Ian Clarke, he looks like his energy use is more efficient and economical, which would equate to less wear and tear, barring no serious injuries).

 

I was in the "trade Markstrom" camp as recent as the beginning of this season, but watching the evolution of Markstrom's game, I think it would be a mistake to let him go by way of trade or free agency. I would sooner extract value out of Demko than Markstrom at this time and into the next 4-5 years, which now leads to the next question, which is, would Demko be willing to remain a back up for that period?  Not likely.

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ok

do you know what the previous discussion was about ?

 

luongo was 27 when he joined the nucks and had an excellent record as a goalie at that time

he performed very well that season and dragged the team into the playoffs

stole the first round

he missed the playoffs 1x while he was a nuck

 

markstrom is already 30

has only a record as a developing goalie

until he became a good starter about 1 season ago

he has never played an nhl playoff game

 

i took issue with the the poster suggesting these 2 are comparable in their importance to their team

and the poster suggested markstrom is as vital to this team currently

as luongo was to the 2010/11 nuck team (when he already had a strong playoff record)

and when that team was mature and ready

and this one clearly is not

i did not agree

 

that was the discussion

 

i accept markstrom may prove his worth in the playoffs (read my post)

his age cannot be ignored if it takes this team 3 or 4 seasons before they are ready for a deep playoff run

if demko proves capable this playoff season (assuming he gets a game or 2)

he is more likely to be playing at his peak when this team is ready for a deep playoff run

more likely then markstrom

this is not a certainty, no one can forecast the future

 

i also know luongo got his playoff experience with the nucks

the poster chose the comparison date of the 2010/11 season

my comments flowed from that comparison date

 

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3 hours ago, Comeback_Kings said:

Sign Markstrom Now.  Core goaltender, build the team around him. 

 

This team reminds me of :

2007 NHL Western Conference Semi-Finals
Anaheim Ducks defeat Vancouver Canucks 4-1

 

Honestly id is Marky and let Fate decide Demko’s future. I know I know Asset management. I’d still love to keep Demko but Marky is important to the success now and maybe for the next 6-10 years you never know

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5 hours ago, mll said:

Berkshire uses SportlogIQ's video tracking software for his observations.  Markstrom has been particularly efficient in the high danger scoring areas.  

 

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/jacob-markstroms-season-impressive-think/

For years we were told Jacob Markstrom was the next great goaltending prospect, but he floundered in Florida and struggled to keep his spot in the league. Eventually the Canucks acquired him, but even with the confidence many hockey people had in him, it took a long time for Markstrom to establish himself.

 

For the past three seasons now he’s been a high quality starting goaltender for the Canucks, and at the age of 30 he’s having the best statistical season of his career on the surface. Digging a little deeper, his performance is even more impressive than his .916 save percentage — which is way above the league average of .909 — shows.

 

TBN-16-Markstrom.png

 

While the Canucks are a much-improved team this season in many areas, they still struggle to defend a lot of the time, especially off the rush. The Canucks give up more rush chances than any other team in the league this year, which should give some added context to Markstrom’s numbers.

 

From the most dangerous area of the ice, Markstrom has been incredible this season, posting the fourth-highest save percentage from the inner slot in all situations in the league. Only Tuukka Rask, Jake Allen, and Henrik Lundqvist have been better in tight. 

 

From the high slot Markstrom is similarly dominant, exerting his influence on the slot overall to give the Canucks a breather when they have defensive breakdowns. Only Connor Hellebuyck, Carey Price, David Rittich, and Sergei Bobrovsky have faced more scoring chances on net overall than Markstrom, and of that group he holds the highest overall save percentage from the slot at .854, which says a lot.

 

It’s a lot easier to build a team when you have a goaltender you can rely on night in and night out, and Markstrom has been that for the Canucks.

 

Maybe fans here understands why he probably gets a lot in the new contract. 6 mill is team and cap friendly with this quality in goal. 

 

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11 hours ago, Timråfan said:

Maybe fans here understands why he probably gets a lot in the new contract. 6 mill is team and cap friendly with this quality in goal. 

 

if we get Markström for 5.5 that'd be a steal. 

 

5.5 for 6 years. done! 

 

OR, 6 mil for 4 years. done! 

 

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16 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

 

So now it’s confirmed it was JB who shut down talks.  And we wonder why Marky was not focussed last game, and played rather poorly as a result.  Playing without the security of a contract (especially when one injury will mean millions to Marky and his family) must be bothering the big guy.  Just friggin’ sign him!  We want to make the playoffs, and if Marky isn’t playing on top of his game we won’t.  

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41 minutes ago, Maniwaki Canuck said:

Torn meniscus, to be re-assessed but estimated 3-4 week recovery.  I'm wondering when it happened? 

I'm wondering how a torn meniscus can be a 3-4 week recovery. That seems like a very generous timeline. I would've expected 6-8 weeks to be frank

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4 hours ago, Grape said:

I'm wondering how a torn meniscus can be a 3-4 week recovery. That seems like a very generous timeline. I would've expected 6-8 weeks to be frank

Torn meniscus is not that big of a deal. Scrape it off...rehab...good to go.

 

Someone today originally said it was a ligament....that would have sucked big!!!

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