Stormriders Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 So trade deadline day is over and to me it is a bit of a disappointment. Starting with the freeing up of cap space with the Lu trade, most of us felt that this would be the start, and with all the rumours around and trying to read between the lines of what was or wasn't being said by players/management, today would be the start of something big. It would point our ship in a new direction and we would be able to start with what might be again. But that didn't happen, and MG came on and gave his reasoning behind it. Might make some sense but what if there is another agenda? What if the owners have finally realized that there has been too much going wrong and maybe we have the wrong captain for our ship? They obviously trusted Mike in the beginning and even though there have been some rough spots along the way, they accepted some other rather obvious issues. They bought into the need for a new coach, structure and system. But maybe they have finally reach the conclusion, [with a whole team that can't score among other things], that this might not be the right way or with the right GM or coach. So they let him deal with the final chapter of Lu, something that will likely be his Canuck legacy. Why would you let Mike start making major changes now if you are going to replace him? His trading record is poor and he may compound his mistakes that will take years to undo. You would need to let his replacement come in and start the serious rebuild. And of course, it would be likely a new GM would bring in his own coach. So if Torts goes, you might end up starting the rebuild with the wrong pieces that the new coach needs for his system. So if it is the owners intention is now replacing MG, then it makes sense they moved in and stopped todays trades. If that's their new agenda, then we will just have to wait until the end of the season for the changes to be made in management before the serious rebuild starts. Maybe they just wanted the unfinished Lu incident dealt with, so the new guy could start clean. Maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thema Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 Draft day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollumpus Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 Or maybe Gillis will be here next season. regards, G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drummer4now Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 lol what? So draft day is over and to me it is a bit of a disappointment. Starting with the freeing up of cap space with the Lu trade, most of us felt that this would be the start, and with all the rumours around and trying to read between the lines of what was or wasn't being said by players/management, today would be the start of something big. It would point our ship in a new direction and we would be able to start with what might be again. But that didn't happen, and MG came on and gave his reasoning behind it. Might make some sense but what if there is another agenda? What if the owners have finally realized that there has been too much going wrong and maybe we have the wrong captain for our ship? They obviously trusted Mike in the beginning and even though there have been some rough spots along the way, they accepted some other rather obvious issues. They bought into the need for a new coach, structure and system. But maybe they have finally reach the conclusion, [with a whole team that can't score among other things], that this might not be the right way or with the right GM or coach. So they let him deal with the final chapter of Lu, something that will likely be his Canuck legacy. Why would you let Mike start making major changes now if you are going to replace him? His trading record is poor and he may compound his mistakes that will take years to undo. You would need to let his replacement come in and start the serious rebuild. And of course, it would be likely a new GM would bring in his own coach. So if Torts goes, you might end up starting the rebuild with the wrong pieces that the new coach needs for his system. So if it is the owners intention is now replacing MG, then it makes sense they moved in and stopped todays trades. If that's their new agenda, then we will just have to wait until the end of the season for the changes to be made in management before the serious rebuild starts. Maybe they just wanted the unfinished Lu incident dealt with, so the new guy could start clean. Maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthNinja Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 One too many drafts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealFan Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 You're thinking too much. This ship wasn't going to get turned around today with a trade. Save you're disappointment for the summer if Gillis doesn't make changes after the draft, not the trade deadline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the grinder Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 no this ship is sinking it definitely not turning around with gillis piloting the ship make gillis walk the plank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanTSN Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 So when Diaz was traded, that was a slip-up by ownership? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuongo Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 I missed the draft!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NucksCup2015 Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 So trade deadline day is over and to me it is a bit of a disappointment. Starting with the freeing up of cap space with the Lu trade, most of us felt that this would be the start, and with all the rumours around and trying to read between the lines of what was or wasn't being said by players/management, today would be the start of something big. It would point our ship in a new direction and we would be able to start with what might be again. But that didn't happen, and MG came on and gave his reasoning behind it. Might make some sense but what if there is another agenda? What if the owners have finally realized that there has been too much going wrong and maybe we have the wrong captain for our ship? They obviously trusted Mike in the beginning and even though there have been some rough spots along the way, they accepted some other rather obvious issues. They bought into the need for a new coach, structure and system. But maybe they have finally reach the conclusion, [with a whole team that can't score among other things], that this might not be the right way or with the right GM or coach. So they let him deal with the final chapter of Lu, something that will likely be his Canuck legacy. Why would you let Mike start making major changes now if you are going to replace him? His trading record is poor and he may compound his mistakes that will take years to undo. You would need to let his replacement come in and start the serious rebuild. And of course, it would be likely a new GM would bring in his own coach. So if Torts goes, you might end up starting the rebuild with the wrong pieces that the new coach needs for his system. So if it is the owners intention is now replacing MG, then it makes sense they moved in and stopped todays trades. If that's their new agenda, then we will just have to wait until the end of the season for the changes to be made in management before the serious rebuild starts. Maybe they just wanted the unfinished Lu incident dealt with, so the new guy could start clean. Maybe. My thoughts too. I think its pretty obvious Acquilini didn't want MG overhauling this team and trading away our best player given his track record. In my view MG is gone and a new GM (who I think may be Burke will be brought in). Most of this core was his don't forget, if there is anyone that can get them back to the way they played and their respect its him. While I dont like Burke's attitude, there is no doubt he's a very good GM. Look at what he took over with the leafs, a hancuffed team of overpaid, ntc's left to him by Ferguson and the team now is doing very well and is his (Nonis as usual rode his coattails). Lets not forget, that even MG said this season was on him (after firing AV)..well sorry MG, you failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NucksCup2015 Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 So when Diaz was traded, that was a slip-up by ownership? No but any major trade would have to be approved by Acquilini, Gillis said so himself...so Francesco wasn't going to let MG frack up any more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmotamed Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 Losing our best player was certainly not part of the plan... And yes, I'm referring to Luongo, because this season that is not under debate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quoted Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 Losing our best player was certainly not part of the plan... And yes, I'm referring to Luongo, because this season that is not under debate! Clearing some cap space was necessary, though. Too bad it meant losing such a great player, but a necessary step for rebuilding over the next couple or few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 Clearing some cap space was necessary, though. Too bad it meant losing such a great player, but a necessary step for rebuilding over the next couple or few years. We already "cleared" goalie cap space last year. Luongo is 11th on the cap hit among goalies and dropping. Luongo wasn't traded to clear cap - he was traded as a favour. Edit: forgot to add that we're only saving $3.3 million cap from Luongo, ($1.2 for Markstorm and $800,000 for Luongo). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Goose Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 Patience. So much to CDC's dismay, VAN wasn't able to pull off a blockbuster deal at the deadline. Lot's of variables to consider (especially capspace and playoff rosters) that could have hindered that. Hopefully draft day something can happen that gives fans something positive to look forward to next year. If the Canucks miss the playoffs, I'll chalk this season up similar to ANH's crappy season after the lock out. I bet with a few tweaks the Canucks come back strong as ever next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Gillis and Tootsie just signed mult year deals. Luo had become a verbal 'loose cannon' and had to go.He had waited way long enough to be dealt. The $3.3 million in savings will come in handy just to sign the UFA/FA's -Santo,Kassian,Tanev,Schroeder and Weber. Just like Schneider,this is all cap space and the deal had to be done on many levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westsideconnect Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Clearing some cap space was necessary, though. Too bad it meant losing such a great player, but a necessary step for rebuilding over the next couple or few years. Yeeeep. I'm pretty excited to see what kind of players this extra cap space can be turned into and I'm certainly not hoping they spend it all on one player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck4evr Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 My thoughts too. I think its pretty obvious Acquilini didn't want MG overhauling this team and trading away our best player given his track record. In my view MG is gone and a new GM (who I think may be Burke will be brought in). Most of this core was his don't forget, if there is anyone that can get them back to the way they played and their respect its him. While I dont like Burke's attitude, there is no doubt he's a very good GM. Look at what he took over with the leafs, a hancuffed team of overpaid, ntc's left to him by Ferguson and the team now is doing very well and is his (Nonis as usual rode his coattails). Lets not forget, that even MG said this season was on him (after firing AV)..well sorry MG, you failed. Agreed, unless a miracle happens and this team not only makes the playoffs but also makes it past a couple rounds, Gillis will be gone at the end of the season. A new GM will be in place before draft day.It's obvious the owners have lost confidence in Gillis and didn't want him trading away their best asset which is why they nixed the trade with Pittsburgh. As for the coach, if he didn't just sign a big multi-year deal, he'd be gone too, but I think the owners will make the new GM give him a chance next season, at least the first 20 games or so to see what they can do. If the club continues to flounder then the new GM will fire the coach and hire his own guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tribaljohn Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 The only thing preventing trades was not a single GM wanted to give up their number one picks no matter what their drafting position currently is or where they well be positioned at the end of the season. CM crazy has already started the time to get high picks was last year or the year before. No one wants to reduce their chance to go after a generational player. I can see teams putting together huge packages of players and picks to pry CM from whom ever wins that pick. Even then players, prospects, and picks might not be enough to get him. Teams might even go Penguins and throw away their core players to increase their chances. That plus why pay high when you can buy low for UFA's I believe this season is done for the Canucks though I would like them to do so much better than they seem capable right now. I have to start thinking in terms of each time the team does not win improves their draft position. I am glad Kesler is still here as our scoring ability at least did not decrease. Only two options for this team, dump their core players, or support them through UFA additions over the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Really hope the OP is correct. The sooner we hire a real GM, the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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