puckinaround Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 I was just wondering what our GF would be if we still had these three players. It turns out if you add there current season goals we would have 190 GF. This would put us 7th in the league overall. If anyone is wondering why we can't score this is part of it. The other part is that suddenly Danny and Burrows suck. This is not even figuring in the effect Erhoff had on our powerplay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JE14 Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Hodgson means no Kassian, so take out 11 goals. Raymond means no Santorelli, so take out 10 goals. Ehrhoff means no Garrison, so take out 7 goals. Now you're left with 162 goals. Whoop de doo an extra eleven goals (and we all know Raymond would not be doing this well in the Western Conference). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 While your at it why don't you give me a nice paper cut and pour lemon juice on it!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goalie13 Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 If you added in Daniel and Burr's typical production we would still probably have your 190 goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimberWolf Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 You have to subtract the goals for players we wouldn't have then. Garrison and Kassian for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimberWolf Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Hodgson means no Kassian, so take out 11 goals. Raymond means no Santorelli, so take out 10 goals. Ehrhoff means no Garrison, so take out 7 goals. Now you're left with 162 goals. Whoop de doo an extra eleven goals (and we all know Raymond would not be doing this well in the Western Conference). Yeah, what he said. While your at it why don't you give me a nice paper cut and pour lemon juice on it!!!! have fun storming the castle! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyfall Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Hodgson was one of those rare players that made his whole line better. He is missed for sure. A player like mayray just works better in the east. He is basically a booth, Schroeder, burrows or a derek Roy where he would just be another name on a list of guys who aren't scoring. Ehrhoff would mean that we give up bad goals due to pinching even more. Only Cody would be a real difference maker but I bet torts would ruin him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Hodgson means no Kassian, so take out 11 goals. Raymond means no Santorelli, so take out 10 goals. Ehrhoff means no Garrison, so take out 7 goals. Now you're left with 162 goals. Whoop de doo an extra eleven goals (and we all know Raymond would not be doing this well in the Western Conference). You forgot to add in the associated extra cap hits with those players. What would our cap be again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merely Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Hodgson means no Kassian, so take out 11 goals. Raymond means no Santorelli, so take out 10 goals. Ehrhoff means no Garrison, so take out 7 goals. Now you're left with 162 goals. Whoop de doo an extra eleven goals (and we all know Raymond would not be doing this well in the Western Conference). You forgot to add in Hodgsons 34 points with the worst team in the NHL, or do they just magically disappear? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avelanch Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 hodgson is most definitely missed, erhoff i could take or leave... raymond, not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeburn Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 You forgot to add in Hodgsons 34 points with the worst team in the NHL, or do they just magically disappear? I think the OP was only talking goals for. If you want to include assists and speak in total points, you'd have to work on the math for every guy, not just Hodgson's points. Any which way though, it's probably not a good way of looking at what's been "lost" with those traded/walked away players. What *is* interesting is to consider where they might have plugged into the lineup if they were still here... Pretty sure Canucks could have used Ehroff boosting up the Sedins from his perch on the power play point, Raymond was never a fav of mine but at least the guy could plug in anywhere up the lines (unlike, apparently, Kassian is entrusted to do), and Hodgson would have given the Canucks a legit, consistent second line this season, either at center (with Kesler playing Henrik/Daniel's wing) or at wing (where he played for a 10 game stretch after coming back from a hand injury, racking up 10 pts I think it was). (ps: the thing about Hodgson's 34 pts while playing mostly 2nd line with a string of career plugs on the worst team, is that those 34pts give him a better points per game than Daniel and Kesler... weird that eh?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Errorhof is more like a rover, than a d-man. I'd rather have Seth Jones or Shea Weber than Hof any day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raph Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 can't believe people are still in denial about Hodgson and Ehrhoff. It's no surprise we began a slow descent when those two were traded. Garrison is no Ehrhoff. Garrison has zero hockey sense in the offensive zone, all he does is fire the puck hard. Ehrhoff is a dynamic player who can skate and make clean passes. He makes players around him better. There is a reason why the Sedins won their Art Ross during Ehrhoff's 2 seasons here. And good lord, for people trying to taint Ehrhoff for poor defense or poor pinching. Have you not watched any Canuck games recently? It's okay to give "ggggrrrrr!! Bieksa!" a free pass, cuz he fights right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRussianRocket. Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 You forgot to add in Hodgsons 34 points with the worst team in the NHL, or do they just magically disappear? You also forgot he's been playing top line minutes the entire year with Vanek/Moulson and has a worse rate of production than Kassian. Kassian been getting 0 pp time, Hodgson nearly 3 minutes per game. And his total ice time per game >>>> Kassian's lol. ...I know a few hardcore Buffalo fans and even they say he's overrated. Got talent but overrated and a lousy skater. Says he should be getting a lot more points than what he currently has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeburn Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 You also forgot he's been playing top line minutes the entire year with Vanek/Moulson and has a worse rate of production than Kassian. Kassian been getting 0 pp time, Hodgson nearly 3 minutes per game. And his total ice time per game >>>> Kassian's lol. ...I know a few hardcore Buffalo fans and even they say he's overrated. Got talent but overrated and a lousy skater. Says he should be getting a lot more points than what he currently has. You may want to talk with your "hardcore Buffalo fans" again. They may be to able to explain to you how it is you're way off base claiming Hodgson has played the entire year on the top line with Vanek/Moulson. (hint: it's been a long time since the kid had an even strength shift with either Vanek or Moulson cuz he's been anchoring the 2nd/3rd line with a rotating assortment of career grinders ever since the coach split up the offensive leaders). Oh, and while you're bashing Hodgson for his point production (which, contrary to your claim, is actually far superior to Kassian's), you may wanna consider looking at his production versus Daniel and Kesler - the kid's point per product per game is actually even better than theirs too, and with far less minutes at both even strength and power-play. All in, you may wanna actually look at the numbers before you try citing your theories as facts. Or pick your "hardcore Buffalo fan" friends more wisely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanKeslord17 Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 You can't just add and drop guys out of the lineup and saw we'd be better. Bottom line is that can't score, whether it's the coach or the players, who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avelanch Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Errorhof is more like a rover, than a d-man. I'd rather have Seth Jones or Shea Weber than Hof any day. noh wai! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merely Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 You also forgot he's been playing top line minutes the entire year with Vanek/Moulson and has a worse rate of production than Kassian. Kassian been getting 0 pp time, Hodgson nearly 3 minutes per game. And his total ice time per game >>>> Kassian's lol. ...I know a few hardcore Buffalo fans and even they say he's overrated. Got talent but overrated and a lousy skater. Says he should be getting a lot more points than what he currently has. I don't care if he's playing 1st line minutes, or 4th line minutes, he has more points than Kassian. He has earned it, if you say he is on the worst team in the NHL, and it's easy to gain a 1C, than that makes his point total even more impressive! But I personally would keep Kassian, he is surprisingly even a more Exciting player than Hodgson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absent Canuck Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 I was just wondering what our GF would be if we still had these three players. It turns out if you add there current season goals we would have 190 GF. This would put us 7th in the league overall. If anyone is wondering why we can't score this is part of it. The other part is that suddenly Danny and Burrows suck. This is not even figuring in the effect Erhoff had on our powerplay. This isnt canucks talk but I will discuss it anyways. For those of us who watch Buffalo play on a regular basis , we can tell you all that Hodgson has skill. But only in the offensive zone. He is terrible defensively, and brings nothing to the table other than waiting for an odd man rush or sucking assists playing the half wall on the powerplay. In vancouver Torts would have him strung up in the rafters by now with his Dad complaining bitterly. We must remember David Booth and Keith Ballard when discussing Erhoff. Both Booth and Ballard looked like solid top 6 players at their positions. However, it was an optical illusion. They looked good compared to the other Panther players. Erhoff looks good compared to the other Sabres defense. He would be a third pairing in Vancouver . Waste of 4mil bucks. Both Stanton and Tanev are better than Erhoff is. Raymond would probably have the 10 goals that Santorelli has so its a wash regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goat James Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 Errorhof is more like a rover, than a d-man. I'd rather have Seth Jones or Shea Weber than Hof any day. ?????????????????????? I'm pretty sure that anyone who knows anything about hockey would rather have Weber or Jones over Erhoff. It's like saying "yeah, I'd rather have Crosby or MacKinnon than Mike Sanorelli". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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