Big Time Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 I'm seeing a lot of people seemingly give Torterella a pass, largely because Gillis is such an easy target for criticism. I'm not saying Gillis isn't to blame, but when I watch this team it is absolutely apparent that the biggest problem this team has is Tortorella's system. His system is predicated on dump and chase, tenacity, and defense first. The problems the Canucks are having are exactly the problems the Rangers had the last few years. They are so focussed on trying to play "the right way", that they bail out on offense the first sign of trouble. They look completely confused on both ends of the rink. The best coaches are the ones that employ a system that maximizes the strengths of their roster. For Torts, it's his way or the highway. His system is completely unsuited to the Canucks roster, and I worry that they are going to change the roster to try and fit the system rather than the other way around. I saw this happen during the Keenan years. It wasn't pretty. Say what you will about AV but he would at least change the game plan based on the types of players he had. When one player slumps, you can put it on the player. When an entire team slumps for as long as the Canucks have, that's all on the coach. Partly the reason I am so pessimistic about the future of the Canucks is that I don't really think it matters what type of player they bring in because Torts' system will suck the life out of them. Sidney Crosby couldn't score under this style of play. The Sedins were 100+ point players two years ago. Now we'll be lucky if either of them hit 50. I know they're getting older but the drop off shouldn't be that dramatic. Gillis gets a lot of deserved criticism for his poor moves, but his worst move seems to be largely overlooked. He gave Tortorella a FIVE YEAR deal. This makes it highly unlikely the cheapskate Canuck owners are going to fire him after one year. They are most likely to keep him around at least for one more year, meaning no new players are really going to develop, and the offensive well will continue to run dry. It's a sad feeling but I think things are going to get much worse before they start to look better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THERETOOL Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 i think who hired torts might be the real question ... was it mike ? or was in the aquilinis ? depending on which one it was , we can know how deep a hole we are in .. and for how long .. coaches are hired to be fired .. obviously owners are not .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyfall Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Gillis is still mostly at fault because he didn't provide the right players and the team struggled with two different coaches. Hockey wise I can handle that things going wrong but what's most ridiculous is that the Canucks have turned into a circus between making Lu captain, Hodgson being pissed off, Malhotra's situation, Lu not getting traded then trading Schneider then trading Lu after all and this Kesler situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lolwut? Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Seems to me that like everyone who is pojting a finger at MG, you're just pointing it at Torts = also looking to place the blame. To say that MG holds no accountability in the current state of this team is mayor of wrongville wrong. To say its all on torts? Also wrong. (Not saying that you said this.. Just in general) In case you hadn't noticed, this team was already starting to nose dive with AV at the helm.. Why can't people on CDC just get a grip and realize this core is done and needed to be dismantled and replaced over the last 3 years? MG waited for a big pay day in every instance and got burned. Now weve got a lineup of 3/4 liners, injury prone players, and stars that forgot how to play hockey that are signed up for years. If it were up to me the canucks management would be out on their asses as soon as I had replacements for them all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THERETOOL Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Gillis is still mostly at fault because he didn't provide the right players and the team struggled with two different coaches. Hockey wise I can handle that things going wrong but what's most ridiculous is that the Canucks have turned into a circus between making Lu captain, Hodgson being pissed off, Malhotra's situation, Lu not getting traded then trading Schneider then trading Lu after all and this Kesler situation. its amazing isn't it ? Its so frustrating to be a fan now ... I am still in disbelief that this has happened . I feel sick about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THERETOOL Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Seems to me that like everyone who is pojting a finger at MG, you're just pointing it at Torts = also looking to place the blame. To say that MG holds no accountability in the current state of this team is mayor of wrongville wrong. To say its all on torts? Also wrong. (Not saying that you said this.. Just in general) In case you hadn't noticed, this team was already starting to nose dive with AV at the helm.. Why can't people on CDC just get a grip and realize this core is done and needed to be dismantled and replaced over the last 3 years? MG waited for a big pay day in every instance and got burned. Now weve got a lineup of 3/4 liners, injury prone players, and stars that forgot how to at hockey that are signed up for years. But sure, the big problem is torts. Whatever you say op. great post .. very well said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRussianRocket. Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Scoring is the problem. They couldn't score ever since they made the finals. 8 goals in 7 games. What happened next year under AV? No scoring. The year after under AV? No scoring. What's happening now? No scoring. Coach is not the problem, scoring is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbutcher Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 It is a sad time for Canuck fans! But the bright side is.....................................adversity usually brings out new leaders with character. Everyone can come up with a thousand reasons, a thousand fixes, fire the GM, fire the coach, it goes on and on. These professional athletes have stopped trying. Take a long look at the bench, the sagged shoulders the far away stare. It's a total write off season. Lets see who comes to camp and is prepared to play and get this team back to respectability. Yes it's going be a few lean years but we will see who the true fans really are. See you in September!! Go Canucks Go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanuckleHorse Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 It will show sat if this team is behind their coach if they come out and play like their life depended on a victory they still got his back if they get stomped out then they are over him and the mngt should move on i hear Ralph Krueger is a good coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanucklehead10 Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 It's Gillis' fault. I think he's basically given up on this season since he knows he couldn't get a scorer without giving up lots of value and he decides to keep Kesler until the end of the season, leaving this slow, undetermined team out to dry. He has waved the white flag. Look forward to next season though! Hopefully many changes (including management are on the horizon) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyAL Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Coaching might not be the only issue but to claim it's not a problem regarding scoring is just wrong. This 2014 team will be the lowest scoring team in Canuck history and of course Tort's style plays a factor in that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 fyi We weren't even that good during our peak period. Our playoff exits indicate that. We were spanked. We were a good regular season team though. All sorts of regular season awards granted. And that was good. But all essentially meaningless if you want to win a cup. Gillis did well with the tools he was given. Now he's burning down the garage. The question now is if we're going to take the time, spend the money and fill up our new garage with shiny new brandname power tools? Or halfass it and fill it with rusty craigslist offerings? We're not building a winner by picking up other teams' castoff prospects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 I think the bigger issue for the last three years has been MG's insistence that he only change the roster or add major pieces during the offseason. He has stated repeatedly from day 1 that making trades and changing pieces is difficult to do once the season begins. His only 'major' move I can think of has been Booth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quoted Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Team composition (GM) and system (Coach) interplay and right now they both are not working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthMelvin Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 DP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthMelvin Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 The problem is our defensive core...they do not know how to pass, make a play at the blue line, skate into offensive zone, one timers, board chaos meaning they cannot and do not win fights on the board, constant give aways due to bad passing skills, bad decisions in regards to play making, and even stopping the puck after a pass around to the blue...... Go to videos on the main page and watch our d core its F'ing horrible. how can we score when our forwards and centers have to worry whether or not the D is gonna muck it up. Hamhuis is a liabilty.....Garrison can't shoot on net, How can anyone blame a coach when all this money is on the ice.....lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanev's Smirk Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Everyone is at fault currently. This organization needs to wipe the slate clean and accept that it needs to rebuild, but that isn't going to happen. Meh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quoted Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Everyone is at fault currently. This organization needs to wipe the slate clean and accept that it needs to rebuild, but that isn't going to happen. Meh. There are a lot of really good pieces - cleaning house of everyone would set them back too far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mackcanuck Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Tortasaurus is the best coach we have ever had, He will coach us to the best draft pick the franchise will ever have, Conner McDavid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rawkdrummer Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Place blame where you want but Tort's style of hockey is boring. It drives me crazy watching us constantly give up puck possession. The little I know is this and that's there's only one puck on the ice and if you give to the other team you're not likely to score. Do we score goals? Defensively we can't get out of our own end, we dump it out into the neutral zone if not ice the puck. Offensively we dump the puck in the other team's zone and then change lines. Constantly giving up puck possession. Tort's system sucks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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