Merci Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Losing game 7 of the SCF was clearly a low point, we didn't think that low point would result in uninspired play such as this. I think for most of our players it is hard to be as motivated or as full of energy in a regular season game knowing you won't be making the playoffs and your hopes for a championship are fading. How do you battle for a playoff spot if being a regular contender was such a common thing a few years ago. How do you tap into that energy and experience when you know you'll have to for another 20+ games if you even want the opportunity to compete The core needs to be altered to bring in youngnaiveexcitedtalented Young men that actually are hungry to play, players that the vets will feed off of and have a reason to play again. Currently the team is full of the core that lost and a few prospects that are trying their best to make a difference on a core that doesn't care, we're a truck in mud right now, and you can tell. The core doesn't need to be replaced but it does need to be severely altered the players I see us moving forward as veteran presence are: Sedins (2nd or 3rd line) Bieksa Hamhuis Edler Why these guys? Because with Luongo, Kesler, and Burrows gone they'll be replaced with kids who motivate them to play again. And as a matter of circumstance the players we can trade for goal scoring involves mainly Kesler and perhaps Burrows in a more minor deal. It's an exciting time to be a Canucks fan because not every team has such a solid veteran core, and the ability to grab 5 or 6 1st round picks while they're bombing as bad as we did. We are now 3 reg losses behind Calgary and I am not surprised if a Sam Reinhart draft pick, and a heavy return for Kesler after Pittsburgh whollops Philly in the playoffs, doesn't push our team back into where it belongs. Go Canucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honky Cat Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 I almost got the feeling that after that SC final ,the core of the team kind of went through the motions a bit..It really knocked the stuffing out of them..which is understandable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 This would make sense if we were talking about a junior team. Fact is, these are professional hockey players. If they can't get motivated to play, then they should retire. Biggest mistake of the year was awarding the Sedins a new contract at the beginning of the year. They should have waited until the end of the season - would have been a lot less of a cap hit or maybe the Sedins would have have done better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 5 years is long enough to see what can be done with a group that's ready to make a push. I think the core overestimated the odds of getting back to the dance after losing. We really should've been doing a massive re-tooling effort after that, but instead we've just made moves to promote a decline, which is typical for Canadian teams that make the finals these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xereau Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 I agree. The core is tainted. Broken. Unfixable. Demoralized. Done. Cooked. Crispy. You can not put Humpty Dumpty back together again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slappipappi Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Losing game 7 of the SCF was clearly a low point, we didn't think that low point would result in uninspired play such as this. I think for most of our players it is hard to be as motivated or as full of energy in a regular season game knowing you won't be making the playoffs and your hopes for a championship are fading. How do you battle for a playoff spot if being a regular contender was such a common thing a few years ago. How do you tap into that energy and experience when you know you'll have to for another 20+ games if you even want the opportunity to compete The core needs to be altered to bring in youngnaiveexcitedtalentedYoung men that actually are hungry to play, players that the vets will feed off of and have a reason to play again. Currently the team is full of the core that lost and a few prospects that are trying their best to make a difference on a core that doesn't care, we're a truck in mud right now, and you can tell. The core doesn't need to be replaced but it does need to be severely altered the players I see us moving forward as veteran presence are: Sedins (2nd or 3rd line) Bieksa Hamhuis Edler Why these guys? Because with Luongo, Kesler, and Burrows gone they'll be replaced with kids who motivate them to play again. And as a matter of circumstance the players we can trade for goal scoring involves mainly Kesler and perhaps Burrows in a more minor deal. It's an exciting time to be a Canucks fan because not every team has such a solid veteran core, and the ability to grab 5 or 6 1st round picks while they're bombing as bad as we did. We are now 3 reg losses behind Calgary and I am not surprised if a Sam Reinhart draft pick, and a heavy return for Kesler after Pittsburgh whollops Philly in the playoffs, doesn't push our team back into where it belongs. Go Canucks So, when are the Canucks getting these 5-6 1st round picks? Because teams are hoarding them like their virginal daughters. And Sam Reinhart? Likely to go 1st or 2nd in the draft. The Canucks can't tank that badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIBdaQUIB Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 5 years is long enough to see what can be done with a group that's ready to make a push. I think the core overestimated the odds of getting back to the dance after losing. We really should've been doing a massive re-tooling effort after that, but instead we've just made moves to promote a decline, which is typical for Canadian teams that make the finals these days. The rest of the league improved after 2011 and the Nucks actually lost some key players. We are seeing the results now. Gillis failed to read the signs of his players and the league and while he was oblivious to what was going on, the players weren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drummer4now Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 5 years is long enough to see what can be done with a group that's ready to make a push. I think the core overestimated the odds of getting back to the dance after losing. We really should've been doing a massive re-tooling effort after that, but instead we've just made moves to promote a decline, which is typical for Canadian teams that make the finals these days. I agree if we had done the retooling earlier we could have been in much better shape and with less agony. The shorten season was a perfect opportunity instead Gillis messed it up my trading Cory and trading for roy baby (lol) at the deadline. I wonder if the Panthers would have accepted the Luongo trade a year ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Kenobi Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 The core doesn't need to be replaced Any core with Henrik + Daniel in it is going nowhere. They are both done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westcoast Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 There was a time when the players were underpaid and came to camp significantly better than the season before.Now they are all WELL paid and have been given the luxury of an NHL job in their home city guaranteed no matter how poorly they play.Only problem is Vancouver didn't get any hardware as compensation for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khay Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 Any core with Henrik + Daniel in it is going nowhere. They are both done. I agree with the post that we awarded the Sedins that contract too soon, should have waited and we could've signed them cheaper or they would've played better. Remember, they are super good until the contract signing and then they kind of slowed down since then. However, I think it's too soon to say that the Sedins are done. Sure, they can't do it alone and that much is clear. But surrounded by talented, younger, and fresher players, who knows? And the twins are known to work their ass off during the off season to improve their weaknesses and they are well conditioned so... As for why the core is not motivated? I think one of the reasons is that they are over worked. In each game, they're using up so much energy playing in situations where they are not accustomed to playing. For example, Sedins really have no business killing penalties. They should be used primarily for offence and that's when they are at their best. Killing penalties and playing defensive zone draws is OK as long as we can keep them fresh for offence. It's just a simple asset allocation. You can't be using pickaxe to cut a tree or an axe to mine ore. Give each player a defined role. Put them in a situation where they can be successful and excel. Then they will get their motivation back. In that sense, Torts really needs to think long and hard about why the team is not playing well. Sure, injuries are big key but that's not all. There's no way that the Sedins should be dried up in scoring like now, this is just plain ridiculous. I remember Torts saying, when you get fired, you try to learn what your mistakes were and try to learn from them and improve. I hope he is true to that word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toni Zamboni Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 the core is missing the straw that stirs the drink, the glue that made them so cohesive. now its no longer a core, its a hand full of shrapnel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthNinja Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 I feel like jumping into the core of the earth when watching this core play lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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