whytelight Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 I have read and heard a lot of comments regarding our management team. I've heard rumors that ownership, management, and coaching are all in a political mess together. Question 1: Are we just "hoping" there is a mess with the three parties involved to justify our current situation? Or, is there legitimate proof that FA is pulling the strings? Question 2: If you're an NHL hockey player, your job is to play for your coach. Are there other coaches out there that coach a similar style to Torts? I don't see another fans/players complaining that their coach is too hard. Aren't players told to "suck it up"? Question 3: People keep saying the locker room is a toxic mess. Why would it be so? Is there a divide in the locker room? How would we ever know the truth? Question 4: If Torts is so hard to play for, why did he win a Stanley Cup? What players then are suited to play his style of hockey if ours are not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nino Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 Elvis where are you we need you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TheRussianRocket. Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold Hard Truth Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 The first line is the problem,then Gillis,then the leadership core, then Torts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanKeslord17 Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 I see your point and it's fair, but the way I think of these pictures is this: -That was in the past, not now. Cheechoo put up 40 goals once, does that mean you take him on your team now? Hell no. -Calgary won a cup before, does that mean they'll do it sometime soon again? Hell no. -Canucks won back-to-back presidents trophies, will they do that again soon? Hell no. Get the pattern? It happened once, it was great they won at that time, won't happen again tho IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonfruits Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 I see your point and it's fair, but the way I think of these pictures is this: -That was in the past, not now. Cheechoo put up 40 goals once, does that mean you take him on your team now? Hell no. -Calgary won a cup before, does that mean they'll do it sometime soon again? Hell no. -Canucks won back-to-back presidents trophies, will they do that again soon? Hell no. Get the pattern? It happened once, it was great they won at that time, won't happen again tho IMO. doesn't change the fact it happened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam13371337 Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 doesn't change the fact it happened stop living in the past Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 tortorella himself says tampa only won that cup because none of them had any idea what they were doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck or Die Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 The guys in Tampa were also young players in their prime. Our top players are declining. They were declining under AV, and are declining under Torts. The coach isn't the problem. The problem is all on the players and management for thinking they should still be here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 I see your point and it's fair, but the way I think of these pictures is this: -That was in the past, not now. Cheechoo put up 40 goals once, does that mean you take him on your team now? Hell no. -Calgary won a cup before, does that mean they'll do it sometime soon again? Hell no. -Canucks won back-to-back presidents trophies, will they do that again soon? Hell no. Get the pattern? It happened once, it was great they won at that time, won't happen again tho IMO. There is a strong contingent of fans that use the past whenever they can to explain away this mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garth Rizzuto Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 The ownership are Canuck fans, not hockey fans. If you understand the difference you will see how that influences the decisions they make. They are just as influenced by all the glitz, hype and BS as anyone and it all trickles down from there. It doesn't mean they aren't great people who want a winner in Vancouver. It means they don't have the insight how it should be done. The success the team had was built on a foundation that no longer exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 The ownership are Canuck fans, not hockey fans. If you understand the difference you will see how that influences the decisions they make. They are just as influenced by all the glitz, hype and BS as anyone and it all trickles down from there. It doesn't mean they aren't great people who want a winner in Vancouver. It means they don't have the insight how it should be done. The success the team had was built on a foundation that no longer exists. the people here won't understand because they're canucks fans instead of hockey fans too. the vast majority of this teams fans view the playera as characters in a tv show instead of professional athletes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pomorick Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 The next few months should be interesting. I doubt we will make the playoffs. Draft day should be interesting. We will have a relatively high draft pick and perhaps see some trades leading to our team getting younger. Then days later we might sign a top six scorer. GM and Coach will be evaluated.The Aquilinis know all the facts and their own input to what has transpired. As a fan of the Canucks since before we drafted Dale Tallon I have hope that all will work out well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baka Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 The New York Rangers said the same thing when they hired Torts and signed Gomez and Drury. Reality is most players and coaches will never get more than 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HunterHorvatBure Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 Gillis needs to go along with his staff. We need to bring in someone who knows how to rebuild a team. Torts plays our team like they're all 20, the reason behind these many injuries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THERETOOL Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH !!!!!!!!! always wanted to say that ,, thanks ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VintageDz Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 I have read and heard a lot of comments regarding our management team. I've heard rumors that ownership, management, and coaching are all in a political mess together. Question 1: Are we just "hoping" there is a mess with the three parties involved to justify our current situation? Or, is there legitimate proof that FA is pulling the strings? Question 2: If you're an NHL hockey player, your job is to play for your coach. Are there other coaches out there that coach a similar style to Torts? I don't see another fans/players complaining that their coach is too hard. Aren't players told to "suck it up"? Question 3: People keep saying the locker room is a toxic mess. Why would it be so? Is there a divide in the locker room? How would we ever know the truth? Question 4: If Torts is so hard to play for, why did he win a Stanley Cup? What players then are suited to play his style of hockey if ours are not? 1. no one is hoping there is a mess with the 3 parties (except maybe the media). There is also no legitimate proof that FA is pulling the strings, but if you take time to really think about what happened ever since the cup run, it's not hard to tell that the coaches, management, owners and players are not on the same page. one example would be vancouver losing 2 top proven goalies in less than a year, and it's left with 2 young goalies with a total of 70 NHL games under their belts. 2. I didn't see or hear any canucks players complained about torts system, but I don't think it's coincident that all the top players are under-performing big time this year. I personally think torts system is very boring to watch and doesn't work with how the current canucks rosters are built, I am sure there are lot of canucks fans will agree with me on this. NHL is an entertainment business after all, but so far this year, the canucks hockey is very boring to watch, even when they were rolling and wining games in Dec. 3. we will never know the truth about this, at least not any time soon. 4. his system has changed after all these years. it's not hard to tell by comparing the way that lightning team played to the way the rangers played in recent years. I am not a torts hater, in fact, I like his passion for the game and I appreciate his honesty with the fans and media, I really hope he can turn this mess around, but if he cannot adopt to the current rosters and western conference travel schedule, and make changes to his system accordingly, I sure hope he is gone by the end of this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny Jones Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 I see your point and it's fair, but the way I think of these pictures is this: -That was in the past, not now. Cheechoo put up 40 goals once, does that mean you take him on your team now? Hell no. -Calgary won a cup before, does that mean they'll do it sometime soon again? Hell no. -Canucks won back-to-back presidents trophies, will they do that again soon? Hell no. Get the pattern? It happened once, it was great they won at that time, won't happen again tho IMO. Your "pattern" is focusing on players who decline. Who you responded to was talking about a manager and a coach. Unless you have Alzheimer or are just really damn old. Sure your chaching style or management style can take a dive, but comparing players to non-players isn't the same. find us coaches or GMs who won award and went to to decline into nothing and we'll talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny Jones Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 Gillis needs to go along with his staff. We need to bring in someone who knows how to rebuild a team. Torts plays our team like they're all 20, the reason behind these many injuries How to rebuild a team... do you know what Gillis walked into originally? He made some great moves and signings and sky-rocketed this team to a SCF. Last year it was a retool, this year, only in 2014 did we come to the realization that this team most likely needs a rebuild more than just a retooling. Cap's tight this year, arguably this deadline was the first opportunity any GM had to make changes. It hasn't even been one calendar year since it was obvious we need to go full rebuild... We haven't even seen Gillis attempt at a full rebuild, and since he did such a great job at fixing the team the first time... give the man some time. You don't just go get another GM overnight and then have a perfect rebuild. just my 2 cents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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