DrChill Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 @taj1944: Elliotte saying there was a possibility that Torts was going to be fired if they lost tonight. Wow @taj1944: PJ: Are you saying Torts was going to be fired? Elliotte: There was a possibility tonight if they lost that something was going to happen I know some of you don't like botch but he is on the inside and usually has great info, make sure u read the provies. More on the torts situation and morning practice. http://blogs.theprovince.com/2014/03/08/the-van-provies-canucks-win-could-have-saved-torts-job-while-cherry-ruins-everything/ BEST STORY Here’s the thing when the Canucks hired John Tortorella. It was either going to work, and he was going to be able to squeeze one more playoff run out of this veteran Canucks team. Or it was going to be a disaster. Still, no one could have seen this. It’s been epic. The Canucks have won six games in 2014. The top line has scored zero goals. It’s the second week of March. The Sedins are ruined. Alex Burrows is ruined. The power play is ruined. Roberto Luongo’s agent orchestrated a trade to get him out. And Ryan Kesler would like his agent to do the same. The team appeared to tune Tortorella out sometime after the 40-game mark, which may be a record. The coach got suspended for going lunatic fringe which is as obvious a turning point for this season you’re going to find. And now, plenty are predicting this is all going to bring down the Mike Gillis era. Think about this logically. If Gillis’s job really is on the line, and he wants to keep it, who might he be blaming for this epic implosion? Do you think he would suggest this could be on the coach, who just may have been the owner’s choice to begin with? As the story goes Saturday, Gillis wanted Tortorella on the ice for the Cancuks gameday skate. Tortorella does his media obligation before his team skates, and then usually goes home. It’s odd. Has been all year. He did the same Saturday. Whether Gillis wanted him there or not, there was then speculation that if the Canucks lost to the Flames, Tortorella could have been fired within 48 hours. It is inevitable. Either Gillis will do it or the new GM will. Unless you believe in playoff miracles… BEST QUESTION How did Tortorella get a five-year deal? The Canucks weren’t bidding with other teams. This wasn’t like NY which had to give AV five years, because if they didn’t Dallas was ready to. There was one team that wanted Tortorella. Actually, one guy. BEST IRONY If Kesler wanted out because of Tortorella, he is now being used to try and save the coach’s job. Of the final 6:23 tonight, Kesler played 5:06. The guy was a monster in the faceoff circle, winning 67%. Defensively, he also wiped out the Flames top line. After the game, Tortorella made a surprise appearance in the locker room to thank him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLemming Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 I would completely give up on this team if Torts was the first to go out of the entire organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanKeslord17 Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 I don't see how beating the Flames has any reverse effect but whatever. I think the problem is beyond Torts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoneypuckOverlord Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 I don't think he's the right coach. It's not even close, this is almost the same team as last year, look at the difference in EVERYTHING. from scoring , standings, penalty kill, power play, it's a huge difference, this team literally played better under A.V's system vs Torterella's system. It's very dissapointing, how wrong we are, at this point. I remember back in December we were all happy about Torts, like look at it. Yea, sure you can say this team is hampered with injuries, last year the Canucks lost Ryan Kesler for almost the entire year, i'm sorry to say this. A.V might be a better coach by virtue of having a much more effective "system" in place, vs Tortz, who probably is a better motivator, but the system not equally as effective as A.V's. I'm begging for a coaching change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrChill Posted March 9, 2014 Author Share Posted March 9, 2014 From what I have heard torts ain't to popular with the team. I don't think he is a fit. We went from one extreme to another, need a coach somewhere in the middle. I think torts and/or gillis goes in next couple weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 Baloney. Torts has done well IMO. The team has been playing like crap, and unfortunately management has sucked as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLemming Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 I don't think he's the right coach. It's not even close, this is almost the same team as last year, look at the difference in EVERYTHING. from scoring , standings, penalty kill, power play, it's a huge difference, this team literally played better under A.V's system vs Torterella's system. It's very dissapointing, how wrong we are, at this point. I remember back in December we were all happy about Torts, like look at it. Yea, sure you can say this team is hampered with injuries, last year the Canucks lost Ryan Kesler for almost the entire year, i'm sorry to say this. A.V might be a better coach by virtue of having a much more effective "system" in place, vs Tortz, who probably is a better motivator, but the system not equally as effective as A.V's. I'm begging for a coaching change. I would rather stick with Torts than act like the Oilers and change coaches every 1-2 seasons hoping for a home run. It's so easy to blame the coach and think that things will get better just like we did with AV. This team has been declining at an increasing rate no different than when AV was here. There's not a lot of coaches that could just change this situation around. With what's happening beyond the players & coaches, no reliable or consistent players other than Kes, the goalie drama for 3 years, (the list goes on), I just don't see how another coaching change would solve anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamu101 Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 It's not Torts fault he is doing his job which is helping our team make the playoffs and were getting there just need to get on a 16 game win streak and all these rumours will go away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoneypuckOverlord Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 I would rather stick with Torts than act like the Oilers and change coaches every 1-2 seasons hoping for a home run. It's so easy to blame the coach and think that things will get better just like we did with AV. This team has been declining at an increasing rate no different than when AV was here. There's not a lot of coaches that could just change this situation around. With what's happening beyond the players & coaches, no reliable or consistent players other than Kes, the goalie drama for 3 years, (the list goes on), I just don't see how another coaching change would solve anything. it's actually funny reading your post...it's not the players fault? They are the ones that are playing on the ice, not MIke Gillis! Fail! Alex Burrows? 0 goals? Henrik Sedin? Pointless in 20 games? fail! Canucks fans on canucks.com fail! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MayRayDown Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 I don't think he's the right coach. It's not even close, this is almost the same team as last year, look at the difference in EVERYTHING. from scoring , standings, penalty kill, power play, it's a huge difference, this team literally played better under A.V's system vs Torterella's system. It's very dissapointing, how wrong we are, at this point. I remember back in December we were all happy about Torts, like look at it. Yea, sure you can say this team is hampered with injuries, last year the Canucks lost Ryan Kesler for almost the entire year, i'm sorry to say this. A.V might be a better coach by virtue of having a much more effective "system" in place, vs Tortz, who probably is a better motivator, but the system not equally as effective as A.V's. I'm begging for a coaching change. Look at individual stats from last year and it's not impressive. Hansen 3rd in points, burr 4th, mayray 6th and Kesler who played 17 games had 13p (2 less than Higgins) Mayray gone, burr and Hansen missing and the Sedins injured spelled doom. After 48 games this season I'd like to compare the stats and say we were still in par or better than last year (and we arent in the weak NW division anymore) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hockeyville88 Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 Wowza that would have been a quick reaction. I personally think it's Gillis who needs to go. And the players need an attitude adjustment. This isn't AV anymore. This guy is tough and passionate and emotional. It doesn't mean he's wrong. It just means you gotta work like a dog for his systems to work. So smarten up and play harder. Geez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustapha Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 Seems like a stupid reason to fire a coach. If management feels he isn't the right fit, one game shouldn't be a factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HunterHorvatBure Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 Torts' system has hurt this team more than anything. Completely screwed the system and the players are just lost. Gillis goes, torts get another look under a new gm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoneypuckOverlord Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 Look at individual stats from last year and it's not impressive. Hansen 3rd in points, burr 4th, mayray 6th and Kesler who played 17 games had 13p (2 less than Higgins) Mayray gone, burr and Hansen missing and the Sedins injured spelled doom. After 48 games this season I'd like to compare the stats and say we were still in par or better than last year (and we arent in the weak NW division anymore) well we can't just fire the GM after 1 bad season, on top of 7 consective very good seasons. This is pretty much the same team he he had last year, so why fire the GM? What did he do? literallly nothing, yes! Nothing! I don't think anyone including the fans saw this coming. If David Poile and Lou Lamerioulleo still has their job after years and years of failed hockey I think MIke Gillis will not get fired because he's achieved more then both those GM's Since he (mike Gillis) has joined the leauge as a General manger. Why fire Mike Gillis? I don't understand you guys. I really don't. What did you want him to do anyways? He can't really prevent the team from struggling when you can't even anticipate it to happen. LIke all of a sudden they just decided to suck! yes! the team! They decided to suck out of nowhere, we won 7 games in a row, we thought things were fine, then they started to lose and suck! Same team that won 7 in a row, now we are calling for Mike Gillis's head? You guys are unbelievable, I stand by my word. If David Poile and Lou Lammerou still has their job, Mike Gillis will too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HunterHorvatBure Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 it's actually funny reading your post...it's not the players fault? They are the ones that are playing on the ice, not MIke Gillis! Fail! Alex Burrows? 0 goals? Henrik Sedin? Pointless in 20 games? fail! Canucks fans on canucks.com fail! Overplaying his players until they break, and then changing their style of play may be a reason torts is getting part of the blame... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batmania Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 From what I have heard torts ain't to popular with the team. I don't think he is a fit. We went from one extreme to another, need a coach somewhere in the middle. I think torts and/or gillis goes in next couple weeks. I've heard differently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 I'd keep Torts for another year but have the new GM ask Torts to use a more offensive system, sort of like his in Tampa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLemming Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 it's actually funny reading your post...it's not the players fault? They are the ones that are playing on the ice, not MIke Gillis! Fail! Alex Burrows? 0 goals? Henrik Sedin? Pointless in 20 games? fail! Canucks fans on canucks.com fail! When did I say it's not the players fault? I was implying that the players ARE at fault and that it's NOT coaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c00kies Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 The only other coach I'd want is Peter Laviolette. He seems to have a more offensive, puck control system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B00MER Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 the core players need to go first. They've had what? 6 years together. Why do they get so many chances? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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