icetime Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 I keep hearing about Torts structured defense. And/or his defensive system. I don't see it. Obviously, our opponets don't either. We are at best average in goals againts; and terrible in goals for. Here is a quick statistical measure Goals Against 8 of 13 teams in the West have fewer goals against. 8 of 16 teams in the East have fewer goals against. Total 16 of 29 have fewer goals against Goals For 11 of 13 teams in the West have more goals for 15 of 16 teams in the East have more goals for. Total 26 of 29 have more goals for. So where is the structured defensive system? It appears to be a cliche. A journalistic fiction. The "goals for" stat would sort of make sense if the goals against were exceptional but it is not. What we have is an ineffective system with no upside and tremendous negative consequences. For example, how many injuries can we attribute this "structured system"? I don't like those who defend Torts by comparisons to AV But.at the risk of knee jerk responses consider the folowing Rangers goals against -- 162 Vancouver 181 Rangers better by 19 goals - over 10% Rangers goals for 171 Vancouver 157 Rangers better by 14 goals - 9% Glen Sather interview at GM Meeting says it all. Here is a happy guy obviously comfortable with his decision. Comfortable with his team. Clearly enjoying the post Torts era in New York and the exceptional trade he made at the deadline. (Listen to his comment on how the game should be played). http://video.rangers.nhl.com/videocenter/console?id=572650&lang=en&navid=DL%7CNYR%7Chome Could not find a link to a Gillis interview. One post cliams Gillis dttched the interview stating he had to take a phone call. On another team subject: To quote Sather, to get someone like Martin St Louis you have to give up someone of high calbre. Seems to be sound GM thinking. But I guess to get Schneider and/or Luongo same rules don't apply. Conclusion - we need new GM and new coaching staff. Players don't "self destruct' so quickly for no reason. A series on poor decisions. Lack of support in the board room and in the locker room lead to the inevitable. Don't tell me this is an old subject. Obviously, the Canucks ownership is faced with a decision that will affect the team for years to come. This subject need to be discussed again and again until the right decision is made, There is no upside with Torts, Gillis is at the end of his run. These are the questions that need answers. Who can we get to replace Torts that will bring fun and winning back to Vancouver. Who can we get to replace Gillis who can enjoy a chat with Kathryn Tappen and Kevin Weekes about his team. After all the Rangers have 74 points on 65 games and the Cauncks have 68 points on 67 games. Obviously its more than points. It's' about the devastation done to the Canucks culture by the Torts. A culture of winning with style replaced by blame, recrimination, injuries, eraatic behavior, arbtrary decisions and falt out desparation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 It's not only an old subject, but one being discussed in numerous other threads. Why is yours so interesting and deserving of it's own thread above the others? And why this forum (apart from to avoid being redundant with the threads in the other forums)? Is your armchair GM move to fire the GM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luongo4life14 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Elvis, first off your response is useless, so kudos on a complete waste of your time. Second off his post is worthy because it presents issues about this club that none of the Canucks fans (or atleast those on this forum) are willing to address. Tortorella is no fit for Vancouver. He and gillis must go and the ridiculous fan base must stop supporting decisions that continuously tear apart this team. A rebuild was never necessary, now it is inevitably required after gillis and gilman along with tortorella's coaching has ruined the heart of this premier franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Apparently I've wasted no one's time but your own. I'm genuinely interested in icetime's replies. I don't think he knows. Are you really saying you haven't seen anyone discussing Tortorella and his systems anywhere else on CDC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucks155 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Apparently I've wasted no one's time but your own. I'm genuinely interested in icetime's replies. I don't think he knows. Are you really saying you haven't seen anyone discussing Tortorella and his systems anywhere else on CDC? Do you honestly have nothing else to do besides downgrade what others say? How about you just stop "helping" and actually READ what people have to say. This guy put in clear effort into this post and its all to get downgraded by you. Btw,it was the japanese who bombed pearl harbor, check the facts you conspiracy theorist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Do you honestly have nothing else to do besides downgrade what others say? How about you just stop "helping" and actually READ what people have to say. This guy put in clear effort into this post and its all to get downgraded by you. Btw,it was the japanese who bombed pearl harbor, check the facts you conspiracy theorist. Kids these days. At least they haven't stopped teaching history, or maybe they just play Pearl Harbor in classrooms now instead of Animal House (hint hint). I read it, but glad you could take the time to comment on the actual topic. Instead you chose to focus on my post instead and add nothing of value to the conversation. Do you have anything to say about this or have you covered it pretty well already in other threads. I'm seriously asking because if someone has something novel and interesting that hasn't been posted yet, feel free. It's no surprise that a team that has it's first line players greatly underperforming would have an affect on team goal scoring, possession stats, wins, etc. A new coach and system certainly doesn't help, same with injuries to key players, but I think we've pretty much beaten those to death in the other threads. If your team hasn't been good enough offensively to control possession more often in a game they'll spend more time playing defence and the other teams will get more chances. That leads to more goals against as well as less goals for. Even the best defensive teams need a good offence to give them a break so they can be successful. But go ahead, tell me how I'm a bad person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil_314 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 I keep hearing about Torts structured defense. And/or his defensive system. I don't see it. Obviously, our opponets don't either. We are at best average in goals againts; and terrible in goals for. Here is a quick statistical measure Goals Against 8 of 13 teams in the West have fewer goals against. 8 of 16 teams in the East have fewer goals against. Total 16 of 29 have fewer goals against Goals For 11 of 13 teams in the West have more goals for 15 of 16 teams in the East have more goals for. Total 26 of 29 have more goals for. So where is the structured defensive system? It appears to be a cliche. Well we do/ did/ were supposed to block more shots under his system. I'm not sure that we still lead in that category now, but apparently we did in October: http://vansunsportsblogs.com/2013/10/21/big-numbers-canucks-blocking-a-whole-lot-of-shots-much-to-our-surprise/ (anyone with updated stats?) Also, it's hard to play the Rangers' style with shot-blocking in front of a bonafied #1 if the #1 isn't there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Well we do/ did/ were supposed to block more shots under his system. I'm not sure that we still lead in that category now, but apparently we did in October: http://vansunsportsb...o-our-surprise/ (anyone with updated stats?) Also, it's hard to play the Rangers' style with shot-blocking in front of a bonafied #1 if the #1 isn't there. 7th overall in blocked shots currently: http://www.nhl.com/i...e=realTimeStats And why is it hard to play that style without a #1? If you're blocking most of the shots the time then your goalie won't have to do as much. If they deflect around then it probably won't matter how good your goalie is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slappipappi Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 7th overall in blocked shots currently: http://www.nhl.com/i...e=realTimeStats And why is it hard to play that style without a #1? If you're blocking most of the shots the time then your goalie won't have to do as much. If they deflect around then it probably won't matter how good your goalie is. The teams that block the most shots are often those that give up the most shots directed towards the net.Much like the teams with the best "possession times with the puck" also have less take-aways and more give-aways than teams which are spending large amounts of time chasing after the puck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aladeen Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 He should just give them the offensive green light. No more focus on defence, it can't get much worse so just open it up and go full on offence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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