Jump to content
The Official Site of the Vancouver Canucks
Canucks Community

Glaring Holes on Defence


Jiggs50

Recommended Posts

It is becoming increasingly apparent that our defence is not good enough and not mobile enough. Did anyone notice how every single one of our d men were walked around by Kane, Wheeler and Little.

I was a huge supporter of Edler, but seriously there is something wrong with him. Maybe an injury? Garrison is useless if he's not hitting the net. Tanev and Hamhuis are our only capable d pair but they can not play 25 min a night.

Anyway I really believe we need to give guys in the Ahl a chance in place of guys like Edler and Weber. Tommernes? Sauve? Corrado? Granted were in the playoff hunt, but it's just garbage watching our d men getting walked past. Our defence is really bringing down our already weak offence. L

Love Jensen btw. Give the younger guys a chance that's all I'm trying to say. Let them have a taste of the big leagues.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

We're expecting defensive defensemen to play the role of a Markov or Boyle. Not gonna happen. We need to pick up a cheap young PMD who we can use solely for offense. Treat him like a fifth forward. That will allow our players to actually play to their strengths instead of forcing them to play outside of their capabilities.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I can't agree more. Although everyone loves Bieksa for his so called leadership but the man is becoming a traffic cone out there. Do the Canucks not have any forwards that can wheel like Kane, Wheeler and such? Or are they just so tired from killing penalties and blocking shots to skate. The only one that ever makes any attempts to wheel and make a power move to the net is Booth. Problem is no one goes with him to follow up on the rebounds, etc. They are still back at the blueline trying to catch up.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

We have the right defence but wrong system. Our players play best in a puck moving system, rather than a grinding dump and chase system. Same even goes with the Sedins and our power play. Every zone entry over the years (before Torts) was passing plays along blue line and neutral zone. Defence had quick ups to the neutral zone and the blue line while getting up into the play. We simply don't have the right coaches for out situation and players.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

____ Tanev (We need a superstar dman that can play the pp qb and shutdown any player in the league. Throw some money out there and land him)

Hamuis - Bieksa (Hamuis has been sluggish all year, hopefully he raises his game which helps bieksa's game, bieksa might have lots of defensive lapses but he's tough and is a stand up teammate)

Stanton - Corrado ( Stanton has been solid all year, he's only going to get better and Corrado will inject some youth into the lineup)

Trade

Edler and garrison

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Edler Has played like this for years now. Even in his 49 point season, he was getting pyloned, especially in the latter half of the year. Has been by far our worst playoff player. He's a bum.

Why it wasn't obvious and we passed on the perfect chance to deal him at the draft I will never understand. Could have had yet another top pick, and this "rebuild" or whatever it is wouldn't be such a lost mess.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

We're expecting defensive defensemen to play the role of a Markov or Boyle. Not gonna happen. We need to pick up a cheap young PMD who we can use solely for offense. Treat him like a fifth forward. That will allow our players to actually play to their strengths instead of forcing them to play outside of their capabilities.

I completely agree. I think Gillis has a philosophy on building defence that is just wrong.

He has gone out of his way to pick up utility players... guys who are decent at a lot of things, but not great at any one thing, and not terrible at anything. Guys like Ohlund was. I think he believes he is giving the coaching staff lots of flexibility. Hamhuis/Tanev/Bieksa/Stanton are all in this mold.... Garrison has a great shot but is really not a PP specialist. They are also not really defensive defencemen in the traditional mold either.

You need to have a couple of those guys to eat up minutes for sure. You also need role players who excel at situational play. You need "the" guy who the coach can put out there when a particular situation arises and know he is great at that facet of the game.

We are completely missing a pure PP quarterback... Weber is the lowest talent version of that possible, but the best that we have.

We are also missing that tough as nails hard hitting defenceman who clears the net and makes opposing forwards think twice about making fancy dangling plays in your zone.

For players that our fans are familiar with... Erhoff and Salo were excellent playmakers for the PP and we had success with them on the team.

Mitchell was an excellent defensive specialist who made forwards pay for coming close to the blue paint in our zone.

We don't have anyone shaping up to be either of these types of players in our organization.

Gillis does it with forwards as well. Hodgson and Horvat are also "decent" all around players. They have no single skill that makes them stand out, and no particular liability which makes them stand out either. We could have selected Nichushkin for example who has high end offensive talent, but is still a work in progress in other parts of his game. You can teach and develop a guy like that to reduce the liability side of his game, but you can't really teach a utility guy the elite offensive talent if he doesn't have it.

I would happily take Erhoff back and trade a bunch to get Emelin or Tinordi out of Montreal. That not only gets us younger, but gets us guys who the coach knows can play in a particular situation. For other times, our utility guys can eat up regular 5 on 5 minutes.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

There's what, currently 5-10 elite PMD in a league of 30 teams (most of whom were drafted by their organizations, most high in the draft)?

Where/how does CT propose Gillis magically pluck this missing piece from?

There is a whole range of possibilities between what we have now (Weber) and the few elite guys. The reason people mention Erhoff, aside from being familiar with him... is that he is a 2nd tier version of that, but is a huge upgrade on what we have now.... and he comes with a $4 million price tag rather than a $7-9 million one that elite puck moving UFA's would command.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

There is a whole range of possibilities between what we have now (Weber) and the few elite guys. The reason people mention Erhoff, aside from being familiar with him... is that he is a 2nd tier version of that, but is a huge upgrade on what we have now.... and he comes with a $4 million price tag rather than a $7-9 million one that elite puck moving UFA's would command.

Any of them UFA's this summer because we can't afford to trade much to get even a second tier one (that would create a hole elsewhere in the lineup)? And even then, signing one means we have to convince a top 4 D with an NTC he doesn't actually want to stay here.

It's easy to say "we need a PMD". It's a LOT harder to actually get one and make them fit in your lineup, under the cap, without creating other holes etc, etc...

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Any of them UFA's this summer because we can't afford to trade much to get even a second tier one (that would create a hole elsewhere in the lineup)? And even then, signing one means we have to convince a top 4 D with an NTC he doesn't actually want to stay here.

It's easy to say "we need a PMD". It's a LOT harder to actually get one and make them fit in your lineup, under the cap, without creating other holes etc, etc...

... again, that is why people have suggested Erhoff as an option. Cheap cap hit, has a good history here, and Buffalo is likely to be exploding their lineup before next year, He has a limited NTC clause so he partly controls where he goes and that reduces the trade cost.

If we do want to change up our defence and you can subtract Edler, adding Erhoff back in plus a young physical defender (eg. Emelin or Tinordi as mentioned above)... you don't have a lot of extra holes.

We have many veterans and have to remove some if we are giving young guys a chance anyways. If you trade Edler for a young top 6 forward; and Kesler for a solid young physical defenceman (plus more obviously).. then where are the extra holes? What does Erhoff cost you? Hansen and a middling prospect? Again, no problem if you are hoping to have some of Jensen, Horvat, Gaunce, or Lain on the roster.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
×
×
  • Create New...