Jiggs50 Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 The ufa's this year are mostly 28+ years of age. As a team that is retooling/rebuilding we need to target younger guys. I'm all for trading away the 1st round pick this year. Rfa compensation isn't really a big deal imo if we can get a 25 or under high ceiling player. So what are some realistic options for us out there this offseason? Who should we target? Now take into account that if you're throwing 7 or 8 million at Subban for example, then that would involve multiple picks going to Montreal as compensation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drummer4now Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Gillis doesn't do RFA offer sheets anymore. After he got bitten once before. Besides id rather have us keep our 1st round picks/draft picks the next couple of seasons incase we become worse than this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Killer Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Brayden Schenn, if anybody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Burrows 14 Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Lance Bouma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pickly Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 How about this team reaches into it's system and starts utilizing the players they already have and starts properly drafting and developing it's own talent. IMO, that's the biggest problem with how this team is set up and why it cannot simply rebuild on the fly like other teams. They haven't had players step up an start contributing/producing right away. If the Canucks had gems in ther system say like Boston with Soderberg, Reilly, and Krug, SJ with Nieto and Hertl, Chicago with Saad and Shaw, and Montreal with Gallagher and Galchenyuk for example, this team would be in much better shape for the future. This team has relied on the Sedins, Kes, and Burrows for all their scoring in the past few years without letting young players PLAY and have a fair shake at te NHL level. Unfortunately they have very little at the moment but it looks a little brighter with Horvat, Jensen, and Shinky. Next year, the team could seriously use a guy like Kassian, Horvat, Corrado, or even a guy like Dane Fox to step in and play a major role and start producing off the hop, not playing sheltered minutes in a limited role. Fml it's so frustrating seeing other teams with all these young guns making waves for their teams while the Canucks haven't had that luxury and continue to rely on what they have (aging, declining offence) and these money ball signings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drummer4now Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 How about this team reaches into it's system and starts utilizing the players they already have and starts properly drafting and developing it's own talent. IMO, that's the biggest problem with how this team is set up and why it cannot simply rebuild on the fly like other teams. They haven't had players step up an start contributing/producing right away. If the Canucks had gems in ther system say like Boston with Soderberg, Reilly, and Krug, SJ with Nieto and Hertl, Chicago with Saad and Shaw, and Montreal with Gallagher and Galchenyuk for example, this team would be in much better shape for the future. This team has relied on the Sedins, Kes, and Burrows for all their scoring in the past few years without letting young players PLAY and have a fair shake at te NHL level. Unfortunately they have very little at the moment but it looks a little brighter with Horvat, Jensen, and Shinky. Next year, the team could seriously use a guy like Kassian, Horvat, Corrado, or even a guy like Dane Fox to step in and play a major role and start producing off the hop, not playing sheltered minutes in a limited role. Fml it's so frustrating seeing other teams with all these young guns making waves for their teams while the Canucks haven't had that luxury and continue to rely on what they have (aging, declining offence) and these money ball signings. agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinkaruk_9 Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Say we do offersheet some RFA [iF]. It's going to cost us picks. To get an impactful RFA, we're going to give up 1st round picks, 2nd round picks, etc. but a single player cannot turn this ship around so essentially we're giving out top 10 pick and a top 40 pick, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Jake Gardiner because Toronto is in cap hell and we aren't ever going to trade with them so it doesn't matter if they get pissed off at us.Realistically though, we aren't in a position to give up draft picks.Last year these were the dollar amounts, though they will rise with the new cap.. Essentially anything above $3.5 mil will cost too much in compensation.1,110,249 or below NoneOver $1,110,249 to $1,682,194 3rd round pickOver $1,682,194 to $3,364,391 2nd round pickOver $3,364,391 to $5,046,585 1st and 3rd round pickOver $5,046,585 to $6,728,781 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round pickOver $6,728,781 To $8,410,976 Two 1st’s, one 2nd, one 3rd round pickOver $8,410,976 Four 1st round picks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 You aren't going to get a 25 and under high ceiling player on an offer sheet that only pays a 1st rounder. As noted above there is no compensation matching just a first rounder, although there is a 1st and 3rd compensation which is likely the least we'd have to give up to get the kind of player you want. If you're offer sheeting a top young player you're doing it for close to the $5M upper end of that range to convince the current team to bail and take the picks. But if you want to look, go to Capgeek and search the RFA list for this summer. I doubt we get any of those players, either for that price or before their current team re-signs them to a contract. ROR tops that list, but since he has to be qualified at $6.5M that's not happening. Don't even mention PK Subban or Ryan Johansen. Next up are D like Justin Schultz, Gudbranson and Del Zotto so they either aren't worth a big offer sheet or we wouldn't be able to pry them away anyway. For forwards there's Patrik Berglund, Braydon Schenn and Derrick Brassard at the top of the list. Same thing, too expensive or not really worth it. There's a small chance we can work something with the new found cap space, but have a look and see what you think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drummer4now Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 You aren't going to get a 25 and under high ceiling player on an offer sheet that only pays a 1st rounder. As noted above there is no compensation matching just a first rounder, although there is a 1st and 3rd compensation, but if you're offer sheeting a top young player you're doing it for close to the $5M upper end of that range. But if you want to look, go to Capgeek and search the RFA list for this summer. I doubt we get any of those players, either for that price or before their current team re-signs them to a contract. Also who in their right mind would come here? Be driven out of town Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Best bet would be threaten Philly with an offersheet for Schenn to try to negotiate a better trade with roster players going back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NexusRift Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 We need another Stojavov for Naslund type trade!Yeah. I know. We got lucky back then. It's not like MG hasn't been trying to get some diamond in the rough type players. It's just that so far most of his acquisitions have been rough. No diamonds yet. Here's hoping!If managements intention is to indeed move Kes in the off season, then my guess it's gonna be to move up in the draft; much like they did with Schneider last year.Unless we dangle one of our desirable d-men, I see no RFA acquisition in site. I see drafts, prospects and plugs in our immediate future.Go Canucks Go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Goose Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 You aren't going to get a 25 and under high ceiling player on an offer sheet that only pays a 1st rounder. As noted above there is no compensation matching just a first rounder, although there is a 1st and 3rd compensation which is likely the least we'd have to give up to get the kind of player you want. If you're offer sheeting a top young player you're doing it for close to the $5M upper end of that range to convince the current team to bail and take the picks. But if you want to look, go to Capgeek and search the RFA list for this summer. I doubt we get any of those players, either for that price or before their current team re-signs them to a contract. ROR tops that list, but since he has to be qualified at $6.5M that's not happening. Don't even mention PK Subban or Ryan Johansen. Next up are D like Justin Schultz, Gudbranson and Del Zotto so they either aren't worth a big offer sheet or we wouldn't be able to pry them away anyway. For forwards there's Patrik Berglund, Braydon Schenn and Derrick Brassard at the top of the list. Same thing, too expensive or not really worth it. There's a small chance we can work something with the new found cap space, but have a look and see what you think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuongovsTuuka Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 If the Canucks put in a major offer sheet for an RFA and give up next year's 1st round draft pick which turns into Connor McDavid, how stupid does that become? I predict no one takes that risk this season, especially with the NHL threatening to make it so more teams have a realistic shot at drafting first in 2015. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Offersheets are pretty much by definition overpayments - or somewhat hopeless, as they'll be matched. As theminister points out, it might be fun to screw with Toronto and offersheet Gardiner 3.35 million forcing them to pony up more than he's worth, but the risk is getting stuck with that contract and losing a 2nd. I'd rather just use our 1st to take Julius Honka. Otherwise not really interested in offersheets. You may be able to cut a deal for an RFA that a team may not necessarily re-sign nor lose for a lower pick than they're worth. Who wouldn't like ROR or Sobotka.... however ROR comes with Feasterian terms and Sobotka is a steal, and St Louis will have a whack of cap space. The RFAs I'm most interested in are Tanev, Kassian, Archibald, Schroeder, Dalpe and Weber. Otherwise, adding through the UFA market, the draft, and trades are probably better options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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