'Nucks Fan from Montana Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 Trade (VAN-NYI): Canucks trade D Alex Edler to New York Islanders for RW Michael Grabner and NYI's 2014 5th round draft pick.Why?: Islanders could use another top-4 caliber defenseman and Edler fits that role. For the Canucks, Grabner returns to the team that drafted him and the Canucks get a 5th round draft pick in this year's draft, as the Islanders have a lot of young forwards on their team. Buyout: LW David Booth...could use a fresh start with a new team. RFA signings: -D Chris Tanev (4yrs/$2 million, should stay in Vancouver for a while with the years and cap hit) -D Yannick Weber (2yrs/$715K, good depth option at defense) -C Jordan Schroeder (2yrs/$660K, can add depth at center)UFA signings: -C Mike Santorelli (3yrs/$1.55 million, hardest worker on the team not named Ryan Kesler and is a Vancouver native) -D Matt Niskanen (5yrs/$4.3 million, would make up for the loss of Edler as a stay-at-home top-four option and can throw his weight around) -LW Dustin Penner (4yrs/$3 million, big imposing top-six presence that would likely line up with Kesler/Grabner) CapGeek Armchair GM Roster FORWARDS Daniel Sedin ($7.000m) / Henrik Sedin ($7.000m) / Alexandre Burrows ($4.500m) Dustin Penner ($3.000m) / Ryan Kesler ($5.000m) / Michael Grabner ($3.000m) Chris Higgins ($2.500m) / Shawn Matthias ($1.750m) / Jannik Hansen ($2.500m) Tom Sestito ($0.750m) / Mike Santorelli ($1.550m) / Brad Richardson ($1.150m) Jordan Schroeder ($0.660m) / Nicklas Jensen ($0.863m) DEFENSEMEN Kevin Bieksa ($4.600m) / Jason Garrison ($4.600m) Dan Hamhuis ($4.500m) / Matt Niskanen ($4.300m) Chris Tanev ($2.000m) / Yannick Weber ($0.715m) Ryan Stanton ($0.550m) GOALTENDERS Jacob Markstrom ($1.200m) Eddie Lack ($1.150m) BUYOUTS Keith Ballard ($0.000m) David Booth ($0.000m) RETAINED SALARIES (1.13% of upper limit) Roberto Luongo ($0.800m—15.00%) ------CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter) (estimations for 2014-15)SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $65,638,333; BONUSES: $0CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $5,461,667 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neversummer Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 Well that didn't take long to see a flurry of trade Edler proposals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicklas Bo Hunter Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 first no Jensen? second why would we take Grabner back? he would totally leave when his contract is up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuktravella Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 must have really good crack and meth in montana holy fuck grabner and a 5th rounder geez are u kidding no thanks plus you wanna sign a lazy bum of a player in penner edler would get us a top ten draft pick plus a good prospect eve tho hes playing bad hes got alot of upside and might be playing injured at moment surgery on knee in offseason is my prediction still plays top minutes and had 49 points 2 seasons ago hes got trade value just needs a fresh start in my eyes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baka Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 You could probably get Grabner as a secondary piece for Edler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucks155 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 must have really good crack and meth in montana holy frack grabner and a 5th rounder geez are u kidding no thanksplus you wanna sign a lazy bum of a player in penner edler would get us a top ten draft pick plus a good prospect eve tho hes playing bad hes got alot of upside and might be playing injured at moment surgery on knee in offseason is my prediction still plays top minutes and had 49 points 2 seasons ago hes got trade value just needs a fresh start in my eyesA top 10 pick? He's a Dman w/ the 2nd worst +- in the league. Kesler could get us a top 10 pick and a bit more but Edler couldn't even get us a hockey puck... Although, if he needs surgery, then that changes EVERYTHING and his value would be a lot higher in my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billabong Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 You could probably get Grabner as a secondary piece for Edler Edler is -30...nuff said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Grabner is not near enough for Edler. Not even close. Edler is -30...nuff said Ovechkin is a -31 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCanuck Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Won't waive /Thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easton76 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Wouldn't do anything you suggested except resign Santorelli. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PRIMO88 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 surprised no ones asked about kassian.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baka Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Edler is -30...nuff said Yes but given his age, contract, past success, and the market for big minute defensemen it won't derail his value to such an extreme degree. Grabner is basically a 1 dimensional depth player who struggles to get 15 minutes of ice on a poor Islanders team and outside of his current injury he was only on pace for 14 goals and 30 points. Even with Edler's value taking a dip from what it once was he has in no way dipped that low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFrame14 Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 must have really good crack and meth in montana holy frack grabner and a 5th rounder geez are u kidding no thanks plus you wanna sign a lazy bum of a player in penner edler would get us a top ten draft pick plus a good prospect eve tho hes playing bad hes got alot of upside and might be playing injured at moment surgery on knee in offseason is my prediction still plays top minutes and had 49 points 2 seasons ago hes got trade value just needs a fresh start in my eyes Lol yea this is a terrible proposal.. Niskanin will prolly get 6mil on open mrkt. Penner sucks in the reg season and isn't worth a three year deal. 1 yr max.. Edler is worth more then grabs. Detroit is the perfect team to make edler a good player again. But if his value was equal to grabs I'd rather have a larger player coming back. Gillis already traded away grabs once, doubt he wants him back.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Grabner is not near enough for Edler. Not even close. Ovechkin is a -31 To offset that he has 45+ goals. Edler has no where near the points he should have to offset his horrendous +/- And for 5 mil is underperforming. Guy is garbage, has been for well over a year. But he is Lidstrom 2.0... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex the Great Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Don't want Grabner anywhere near this team, I do hope Edler does find his way off this team in the off season however Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baka Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 To offset that he has 45+ goals. Edler has no where near the points he should have to offset his horrendous +/- And for 5 mil is underperforming. Guy is garbage, has been for well over a year. But he is Lidstrom 2.0... Why would scoring goals give AO any kind of pass to hold his value but Edler's gets destroyed? Ovechkin isn't offsetting his +/- with those goals those are his numbers with his points. Even if you gave him pluses for his power play numbers he barely gets back to a 0. It's not easy to pad your plus minus with that many points and still be the 2nd worst +/- player in the NHL. You can't blame the goalie. Since Halak has come he has played well yet AO is a -8 in the 6 games since then. Can't blame his normal line mates despite poor +/- no one is nearly as bad as his. Backstrom is the closest who almost plays entirely with AO and his is almost half of AO's. If anything numbers say AO hurts his team mates defensively as does video of his lazy defensive play. Can't blame the teams system ether as plenty of that roster maintains decent +/- and the team itself is only a -6. If anything AO's numbers are more alarming given that he has padded his +/- already with those freakish offensive numbers. If his numbers dip even slightly that stat gets even uglier and people are debating if AO is the worst defensive player in the NHL. Ether way I don't see how AO can hold his value but not Edler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CANUCKS FTW! Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 With that lineup were for sure to win Connor Mcdavid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuktravella Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 Montana stick to baseball and watch paint dry. You obviuosly have no concept on player values penner is lazy and a no show why would we want him, grabner is offensive but not much defense plus we gave him away for nothing why would we trade a big dman who young signed another 4 yrs to below his value if edler had gone to free agency teams would have paid him 6-7.5 mill long term. You dont know he may be playing injured right now hes having a off yr. but doesnt mean hes horrible. He has his moments but he looked great in olympics many teams would give alot for him. Gillis wanted nyquist tatar a 1st and smith for him. He would nt get that now but wings gm would have given him nyquist a 1st and smith gillis was being greedy. If we can get a 1st a decent bl level d prospect and a wnger like nyquist lets trade him. He says he wont waive his ntc. So we are probably stuck with him hopefully he has a better yr next yr. otherwise sit him til he agrees to a trade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadOgre Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 I personally can't see the need to re-aquire any of our dumped prospects. Although not thrilled about our draft picks that were given away for nothing ! Would have loved to see Johansen in our line up today ! To bad Gillis doesn't have a creative ability to make trades happen, like maybe give Columbus the other half of our team in exchange for him lol. Seriously though I do kinda miss Burkes ability to pull trades out of a hat. Like trading that no name guy who's name eludes me because he doesn't play in the nhl anymore for Sammy Salo. (who incidentally we let go for absolutely nothing! ) I would dump Edler just so I don't have to watch him anymore. When we were contenders Edler was a 3rd or 4th D man. We could have got the world for him just before his no-trade clause contract kicked in. Too bad our GM is learning on the job. Now we would have to package him with a decent prospect (not sure there is too many of those kicking around) just to get a decent prospect in return. Not sure Columbus needs d-men so much, but would have loved to see Edler and Garrison go for Johansen straight up. Now I don't think you can pry Johansen out of them even if you gave them our whole team ! Just dreaming. salary cap days now- could never happen. I would trade Edler for any first round pick or decent prospect straight up. Probably not gonna happen with our current management. I'm sure a competent GM could probably get a handful for him. Not gonna happen on this watch though, probably just keep him for a while and then when he has value again let him go for nothing- just my opinion. Don't get me wrong I think Gillis is learning. Utica was a great idea. unfortunately by the time Gillis has this trading thing figured out it will be to late. I would trade Gillis and a first rounder for Stan Bowman ahh just dreaming again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadOgre Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 David Booth is finally going through the process. I would leave him be. Torts is good for this guy. Cut his pay in half though. not sure if there is a process for that. Trade Hansen ! for good prospect and draft picks. His value will never get better than it is right now ! so capitalize on it. free up cap at same time, and make room for up and comers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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