Southpop45 Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Mini Rebuild if the canucks were to pick a year to do this 2015 is the right year (mcdavid, eichel, konecy) sedins may no longer be elite first line players rumours are that kesler wants out tanev's conctract demand will likely force him or another d-man to be traded (add to that corrado will likely be ready to step in next year) they idea of avoiding turning into Calgary (keep going for the cup until you have no good assets left) acquire assets while your players still have value fans here are smart: they will understand a rebuild if you come out and tell them straight up the canucks are in a tough division/conference (you already have the powerhouses but teams like Edmonton, Winnipeg, Dallas, Colorado will all most likely be better next year) weak free agent market ( van not likely a desirable destination and would have to overpay to get someone like stantsy or Callahan) Keep going for the cup the team is much better than there record shows (mix of injuies and bad luck) lots of no trade clauses (your stuck will some of these guys) will be hard to trade some players with NTC (hard to get full value) one or two good free agent signings would help a lot (gaborik, moulson, camalleri, Callahan, statsny) some much needed youth will be injected in the line-up (jensen, horvat) you don't need to trade off everyone, maybe trading one or two core players is enough of an impact if you get young NHL ready talent in return nobody wants to pay good money to watch a team that sucks as was said before this may have just been an off year (no reason to blow it up and start a painful process that could take anywhere from 1-5+ years Thoughts i tried to write down as many points as i could for each path and be objective there are good reasons for both options ownership plays a huge part in this decison The NHL is a business its all about making money (making money now, and making money long term) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slappipappi Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 With a lack of quality prospects (compared to other NHL teams), the "mini-rebuild" in Vancouver is likely to require more than a mini-amount of time. In any event, Vancouver needs to assess how the Sedins come back next year after an off season to heal from their injuries. Until it is known what type of players they have become, and at what level of regression they have fallen to, how can Vancouver make any intelligent choices? Are they 70 points players? 50 point? I don't know and neither does anyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azzy Mahmood Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Go for the Cup. Any other option should see our franchise moved to somewhere the owners want to play hockey and win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMohammadman Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 For z Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 both. they need to offload redundant versatility for specific role players and get younger and faster. there's no reason they shouldn't be able to compete for a playoff spot while doing that. the pieces to build around are: henrik daniel higgins matthias (i guess) kassian* richardson hamhuis tanev bieksa** corrado* lack and the prospects those are the guys who fit a clearly defined role (except for matthias -- i honestly don't know where he fits long term but i don't see him being moved either). some guys not on that list can certainly make a case for being retained (burrows for example) but they weren't listed because they don't fit specific roles. * = would move for the right deal ** = bieksa is very important to the locker room, so he can be moved, but only if another strong, influential voice is coming back (eg. kesler + bieksa for shea weber) the problem is the ntcs, so you need to bring in a gm, either replacing gillis or working under him, that's willing to motivate players to waive them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester13 Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 I do agree that this team is better than their record and play this year shows. I think that a major move will take place if the deal is right moving forward. Next year Jensen will stick, Kassian will be one year older, better, and should get more ice time and a shot, Horvat and Shink will also push for a spot, etc etc. This team has had more injuries this year than any year past (that I can remember, anyways), so I think we need to cut them a little slack. So I guess my answer is both. Next year we can re-evaluate again and see where we are at. This year is a write-off, but there is still some exciting stuff for us to watch, like the draft, free agency, yada yada. It's all good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiffyPB Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Too early to tell imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 nobody wants to pay good money to watch a team that sucks I mean c'mon. Are we so spoiled now that we cannot possibly watch a simple transition period? Did we think the good times would last forever? Suck it up, current-era Canucks fans. You think this is bad? You have no idea. We have been suffering for a long, long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thad Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 I see it more as, let's start turning over assets and see what happens. We have a solid core that can play at a high level, they've just lost all excitement and gone stale. Flipping one or two of our better players can get nhl ready youth to come in and give this team somewhat of an adrenaline boost. That is why I'm all for a Kesler trade. Obviously we take a hit at centre, pk and everything Kesler brings. At the same time a couple new faces bring something we don't have, excitement. Instead of 2 veterans trying to get back to how they played with Kesler before, you got 2 veteran wingers giving 110% trying to help their new centre full keslers shoes. You take burrows and Higgins, put them in a mentor role and watch new chemistry and excitement develop. Even if that means Horvat is the guy. Bringing him in now while burr and Higgins can still play effective(let's not say burr is done) top six roles would be huge for his development. If he can't handle the minutes, move Matthias up, whatever it's the Mcdavid year anyways haha. Meanwhile you've gained future core pieces in a Kesler trade. I drool at the idea of getting pouliot out of pit or that Ottawa pick from Anaheim. Regardless if we ever want Horvat to be the player we think he can be, we gotta make room for him. I'm not saying trading Kesler is a must for that to happen but sooner or later he does have to go to get Bo in there. Unless you plan on Kes retiring as a Canuck and taking the number 1 spot from hank. But is that really an option? 35yr old Kesler in your number 1 spot when we should be built to contend again? I just don't see it. Keslers value is at an all time high and when you look down the road, our chances of contending with a 35yr old fragile workhorse seem slim. That is why you trade him. So one can look at is you traded Kesler, now you have zero chance at a cup. Ok fair assessment, but all it takes is a couple of these kids to hit the ground running and we're right back in it. If it happens to be that we're beating Cali teams through the reg season, we can look to deadline day to stack some depth or bring in an impact player. All in all we're too good to rebuild and to crappy to compete. The logical direction to take in my mind is bring on the youth movement and see what happens. If we're good, we attack deadline day hard, if we're bad, jack Eichel is a nice consolation prize. Either way were trending downward, youth movement puts the brakes on and either, climbs back immediately or plateaus for a year then climbs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithers joe Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 in sweden, the center ice man is considered to be a playmaker, with scoring coming from the wingers..... both henrik and daniel were centers and became good at being playmakers. when they started playing together, one of them had to move to the wing and score goals.. we may have the two playmaking centers we need using them....they evolve their game back to what it was in the beginning.... develop our youth until they can take those positions from them.... move kes for pieces of the puzzle and retool on the fly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamu101 Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Go for the cup as long as we have the Sedins we will never be able to rebuild I expect the Sedins to be back in the scoring race next season and Henrik winning the Art Ross Believe In Blue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 ^Daniel Sedin cannot win draws and that's not a skill to be learned overnight. Regarding the Sedins, we have to come to terms with them no longer being able to carry the load. They are no longer franchise players. So the Canucks should defintely have a plan in the works to acquire new franchise players. Hey, I hear the 2015 draft is supposed to be ridiculously awesome... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B00MER Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Mcdavid would be the solution to many future cups, but the fanboys will want to win now due lack of patience but we'll end up getting swept by any on the California teams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonMexico Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 I'm more concerned about 2026 myself. Who will be on the team? Hopefully they are scouting Timbits hockey looking for the next Crosby. Will the Canucks be contenders? So much to worry about! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thad Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 I'm more concerned about 2026 myself. Who will be on the team? Hopefully they are scouting Timbits hockey looking for the next Crosby. Will the Canucks be contenders? So much to worry about! There's this 8 yr old down my street who plays goal in street hockey. Already 4'9 with more room to fill out. Great rebound control and isn't afraid to protect his crease. Could be a good option for the post Cannata era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Mini Rebuild if the canucks were to pick a year to do this 2015 is the right year (mcdavid, eichel, konecy) sedins may no longer be elite first line players rumours are that kesler wants out tanev's conctract demand will likely force him or another d-man to be traded (add to that corrado will likely be ready to step in next year) they idea of avoiding turning into Calgary (keep going for the cup until you have no good assets left) acquire assets while your players still have value fans here are smart: they will understand a rebuild if you come out and tell them straight up the canucks are in a tough division/conference (you already have the powerhouses but teams like Edmonton, Winnipeg, Dallas, Colorado will all most likely be better next year) weak free agent market ( van not likely a desirable destination and would have to overpay to get someone like stantsy or Callahan. These highlighted points certainly don't lend credibility to a rebuild argument - the last one made me laugh outright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Keep working to remain as competitive as possible the team is much better than there record shows (mix of injuies and bad luck) lots of no trade clauses (your stuck will some of these guys) will be hard to trade some players with NTC (hard to get full value) one or two good free agent signing would help a lot (gaborik, moulson, camalleri, Callahan, statsny) some much needed youth will be injected in the line-up (jensen, horvat) you don't need to trade off everyone, maybe trading one or two core players is enough of an impact if you get young NHL ready talent in return nobody wants to pay good money to watch a team that sucks as was said before this may have just been an off year (no reason to blow it up and start a painful process that could take anywhere from 1-5+ years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asian player Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 All it takes is one down year for the team to turn into legit contenders. Mcdavid won't be the next Crosby but he'll be damn good. Imagine 1c - Mcdavid 2c - Horvat 3c - Matthias/Gaunce/Santorelli We have guys like Fox, Jensen, Kassian, Shinkaruk, and whoever we draft this year. If we have enough rookies, we'll have enough cap space to splurge on a couple bigger names in free agency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 These highlighted points certainly don't lend credibility to a rebuild argument - the last one made me laugh outright. LOL. Yeah… Smart AND patient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2009cupchamps Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Management has already declared that they are doing a retool when you trade 2 of the top 10 goalies in the league in less than 7 months. Also you have JENSEN and HORVAT being in the line up under your go for the cup. Putting 2 rookies in your top 6 is a mini rebuild, not go for the cup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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