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After back to back losses on the weekend Utica is pretty much toast. Vancouver kept Jensen up and then added Corrado to boot with Archie being here for a few games as well. Canucks were toast 2 weeks ago. The org should have helped Utica by sending those players back but instead played a PR game to mollify fans. That is what management did.

Torts played his top players maximum minutes from the beginning of the season. I do not understand that. I do not understand a team that does not play a 4th line at least 8 minutes a game. Failing to do so simply means that if you make playoffs you have no effective 4th line. Last night the Ducks 4th line had a big role in beating Vancouver. Torts even had his hottest player, Kassian. playing the 4th line last night? Tort's is getting famous for telling reporters that since they are not privy to 'the insider' process that we cannot understand what is really going on. My hockey background is clearly deficient as I do not understand.

IMHO the Canucks should take the last 6 games and funnel their available young talent through to give them a look and some exposure. Lose all six games, hopefully, and draft well.

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Nobody has had injuries like the Canucks this year. We lost Santo Burr D. Sedin H. Sedin for large portions of the season. Not to mention the hits we've had on D. That's our whole first line and our second line RW who was pretty much a mini Kesler.

So no they haven't been what we've been through. And our roster isn't exactly full of depth players. I won't use the division or conference strength as an excuse cause I feel our injury woes is sufficient.

So, we are a team that lacks depth, but we would be an elite team without the injuries? Isn't the fact that we lack depth what differentiates us from elite teams? We also have to call into question the heart and leadership on this Canucks team. Injuries have plagued Detroit (Zetterberg, Datsyuk), but look at the gutsy performance against Toronto. Absolutely this season is a fail. The lack of depth is a fail. The aging core players (one reason for the injuries) is a fail. The lack of leadership and heart is a fail. The overplaying of the aging core players by Tortorella is a fail. The meltdown of Tortorella and subsequent suspension is a fail. Goaltending, the Luongo fiasco, the fact that Gillis said he was going to make this team better after the quick playoff exits of 2012 and 2013 and did nothing is a fail. And if it's ownership interference in management then Aqulini's are a fail (and Gillis again because ownership interference is a sign that they don't respect and trust their GM).

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NO ... if he misses the playoffs, it's worst than last year. Plain and simple, no excuses about injuries, look at Pittsburgh and Detroit. Not making it into the playoffs is a step backwards.

To be fair, the new schedule changed things a lot. They were in a super weak division the last couple years, which disguised the current issues and unfortunately delayed the inevitable rebuild.

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Pittsburgh has so much depth it isn't even comparable

That is exactly the point, Pittsburgh is one of the elite teams and the Canucks are one of the many average teams that can only do well if everything falls their way, which rarely happens. What a question, if the Canucks go 5-1-1, I mean we are talking about 2 games against Anahein, one against LA, one against NYR, and one against Colorado- this is not the kind of schedule where the canucks can go 5-1-1. Give us Buffalo, Florida.. and then it's a valid question.
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Yes. Because of the injuries. Yes other teams have more man games lost then us but look at who we have lost. Sedin, Sedin, Kesler, Burrows, Santorelli. 5 of our best forwards. Tortorella has done good considering the injuries. When everyone was healthy in December we were awesome. Then injuries started.

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Yes. Because of the injuries. Yes other teams have more man games lost then us but look at who we have lost. Sedin, Sedin, Kesler, Burrows, Santorelli. 5 of our best forwards. Tortorella has done good considering the injuries. When everyone was healthy in December we were awesome. Then injuries started.

Totally.

Injuries are not an excuse, but it is what triggered everything.

This team does not currently have the depth to lose a top 6 forward, that's how thin we were. When Santorelli went out, we basically lost our second line because he's what made that line go.

No second line equals more pressure and ice time for the Sedins, which burns them out and then we lose our first line.

No first or second line scoring forces us to play tight defensive hockey which puts more pressure on our D to block shots and risk injury. Which is when we started seeing our D go down.

So I think everyone can see the importance of having a strong second line. We haven't had one since Raymond Kesler Samuelsson IMO. So if there's one thing Gillis does this summer, it has to be rebuilding the second line.

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"Making excuses" is such a hilarious way to look at it. Injuries DID play a major factor in the Canucks' playoff hopes this year, and that is just a fact. It's not about "making excuses", it's about looking at the data from an objective point of view.

A team that loses that many man-games from it's top players is just not going to have success, plain and simple. A team that doesn't have good depth (that's Vancouver) is almost assuredly not going to have a good season when you've calculated all those man-games lost to the top-6 forwards and the defense.

This team can most definitely still compete and make the playoffs next year. A healthy team with an injection of youth and a few key off-season acquisitions and the "reload" should be quick. This team's core is still better than at least half of the teams in the conference and that is good enough to be a wildcard playoff team at the very least.

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"Making excuses" is such a hilarious way to look at it. Injuries DID play a major factor in the Canucks' playoff hopes this year, and that is just a fact. It's not about "making excuses", it's about looking at the data from an objective point of view.

Well when teams who have just as many injuries, if not more than us, are still in a playoff spot (Detroit), it's not an excuse.

We've had injuries to different key players, but at the same time, guys like Burrows and Daniel going 20+ games without a goal is not an excuse. That's our veterans not stepping up in times of adversity.

Gillis also didn't give this team nearly enough depth up font to be able to withstand any injury to our top 6 (not that we even have one). Especially when Daniel and Henrik are so reliant on playing with each other.

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"Making excuses" is such a hilarious way to look at it. Injuries DID play a major factor in the Canucks' playoff hopes this year, and that is just a fact. It's not about "making excuses", it's about looking at the data from an objective point of view.

A team that loses that many man-games from it's top players is just not going to have success, plain and simple. A team that doesn't have good depth (that's Vancouver) is almost assuredly not going to have a good season when you've calculated all those man-games lost to the top-6 forwards and the defense.

This team can most definitely still compete and make the playoffs next year. A healthy team with an injection of youth and a few key off-season acquisitions and the "reload" should be quick. This team's core is still better than at least half of the teams in the conference and that is good enough to be a wildcard playoff team at the very least.

So, you are arguing that without key injuries we would have been "competitive" this year? Competitive to do what? Win the cup? You admit that this team lacks depth. Doesn't that tell you that we aren't an elite team? Doesn't that tell you that injuries are not the only problem facing this team?

And the other excuse being thrown around is that we aren't in a soft division anymore. So what! LA, San Jose, Anaheim and Phoenix can compete in this division, but we can't. What does this tell you? Think!! We aren't as good as the top half of our division. We aren't good. We can't compete.

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So, you are arguing that without key injuries we would have been "competitive" this year? Competitive to do what? Win the cup? You admit that this team lacks depth. Doesn't that tell you that we aren't an elite team? Doesn't that tell you that injuries are not the only problem facing this team?

And the other excuse being thrown around is that we aren't in a soft division anymore. So what! LA, San Jose, Anaheim and Phoenix can compete in this division, but we can't. What does this tell you? Think!! We aren't as good as the top half of our division. We aren't good. We can't compete.

If this team didn't have the injuries. We would be a competitive team, and we'd have as good as chance as any team to win the cup this year, once we would be in playoffs. This team can still play and beat any team in the league. We've swept STL this year and they sit in second in the entire league. "What does this tell you? Think!!" This team isn't as bad you think

The depth on this team is fine. Theres a difference between having depth when one player misses a few games compared to being able to sustain a competitive team without 3 of your top 6 in the line up for the majority of the year.. Look back at the last 4 teams who've won the cup. All have teams had less than 150 missed man games threw the entire year. Canucks currently sit at 270+ missed man games.

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