[Proposal] Three way draft day trade + Extra Trade Questions

[A Lack of Eddie]

Quite a bit of info but I'd like some honest opinions!

To Anaheim: Ryan Kesler

To Buffalo: Hunter Shinkaruk

Emerson Etem

1st round pick (Anaheim)

To Vancouver: 1st round picks (Buffalo + Ottawa Through Anaheim)

Draft Day: 1st Aaron Ekblad (Vancouver)

2nd Sam Reinhart (Florida)

3rd Leon Draisaitl (Edmonton)

4th Sam Bennet (Buffalo)

5th Nicholas Ritchie (Calgary)

6th Michael Dal Colle (Vancouver)

7th Brandon Perlini ( Carolina)

8th William Nylander ( Winnepeg)

9th Nikolaj Ehlers (Vancouver)

10th Jake Virtanen (Nashville)

Thoughts on The trades and draft prediction? Would like some constructive feedback

I know deals like this rarely happen but i think the value is fair and if not, then pretty close. I remember reading that buffalo wanted 2 top prospects (maybe a pick included) for their pick. Adding Shinkaruk to this deal was hard because i really like his energy and attitude but i believe drafting Ehlers would replace his speed/skill.

I also believe that the Canucks draft Ekblad because he is their "Can't miss pick". We lack a stud Dman in our prospect pool and i believe he would fill the void.

Line up of the future

Ehlers - Horvat- Kassian

Burrows - Sedin - Jensen What would your line up be??

Cassels - Dal Colle - Sedin

Fox - Gaunce - Grenier

ADDITIONAL TRADE QUESTION: If we were drafting 1st overall and Edmonton 2nd, would you package a deal of Tanev + the later pick of either our own pick, Ottawa's pick, or both for their 1st (Second Overall). I think without Ekblad on the board Tanev becomes quite intriguing to them since they won't be needing any Top skilled fwds like Bennet or Reinhart.

Would you rather Ekblad + Dal Colle + Ehlers or Ekblad + Reinhart

or if we were to keep the later pic around 9th overall, who then would you take?

Ekblad + Reinhart + _____ (Ehlers, Virtanen, Etc) (Extremely rare but obvious choice)

[terrible.dee]

Not bad,

But I think BUFF holds out for Horvat and OTT's pick.

Shinkaruk has no trade value at the moment because of his hip surgery.

[BI3KSA-]

This would require a lot of balls on every teams part. A lot of risk involved for each team. Intriguing idea nonetheless. Definitely one of the better proposals ive seen on this forum.

[timberz21]

BUF are basically trading their 1st overall (franchise player) for a 24th, 29th and 25+ overall.

No way they are doing it, specially since they have had a lot of 1st round pick the last few years (Ristolainen, Foligno, Girgemson, Grigo, Zadorov). They don't need more propsect, they need better one and will hold on to the 1st overall, unless Crosby, Malkin, Ovehckin, Toews, P.Kane and players like that are involved, or they are trading down 1 or 2 spot.

Our only shot at getting Ekblad is lottery (which is still more plausible than Buffalo trading the 1st overall).

[Merci]

No one said it right away but Ekblad for Shinkaruk, and Etem is top tier lawl

Into the trash

[Nicklas Bo Hunter]

Buff would want both our top 10 picks and if we had 1st overall we would take reinhart over ekblad.

[Desjardins' Mustache]

i like this proposal...

[canucks155]

No way Buffalo will be trading out of the top 5 at the very least. They need a blue chip prospect in Reinhart. They already have good complementary rookies. In this deal, Anaheim and Buffalo get ROBBED and the Canucks reap all the benefits. UNREALISTIC.

[The_Kuze]

I wouldn't trade Etem shink and a 1st for ekblad

Sedin Sedin Jensen

Shink Etem Burr

Virtanen Horvat Kassian

Higgins Ritchie Hansen

X is our 1st rounder this year (Say Virtanen). Lose next year go for mcdavid and we are young and stacked. Use some of those pieces to get a legit stud number one dman for the next 10 years if at all possible (not convinced Ekblad is that guy)

[da.moose]

Interesting idea but I think that the only way Buffalo and Anaheim might consider the deal is if it looks like this :

To Anaheim: Ryan Kesler

To Buffalo: Emerson Etem, Hunter Shinkaruk, 1st round pick (Ottawa)

To Vancouver: 1st round pick (Buffalo)

[jimsandlak83]

-I like the idea of moving up to take a blue chip C : Reinhart or Bennett.

-But the only way I see us being able to do that is if we swing a trade with ANA to get OTT 1st and move those two top 10 picks.........

-HAving a 2 blue chip centerman (Horvat + another center) would set up nicely for the future. But the only way I see this even remotely possible depends where Ekbald is take and if NYI decideds to keep their pick or not

For example if we Ekbald is taken by the time FLA goes up .......I could see them taking 2 top 10 picks over a top 3 becuase they already have Barkov, Bjustad, and Huberdeau (although he can play wing)......but if they feel they feel strongly about Barkov and Bjustad being 1-2 , they might forgo someone like Bennett to get 2 wingers in the top 10 of this draft

Another example would be if BUF gets NYI pick which would be a top 5. If edm gets 1st pick and chooses Ekbald, Buff chooses Reinhart, they might want to forgoe their NYI pick (top 5) for 2 top 10 picks. With that pick , Bennett might be available.

Either way, I'd be ecstatic about getting a top tier Cman Reinhart/Bennett and Horvat to be our 1C and 2 C for many years. But who knows maybe Draisaitl falls to us but some early scouting reports did not like the speed at which he plays at the junior level.

[terrible.dee]

Interesting idea but I think that the only way Buffalo and Anaheim might consider the deal is if it looks like this :

To Anaheim: Ryan Kesler

To Buffalo: Emerson Etem, Hunter Shinkaruk, 1st round pick (Ottawa)

To Vancouver: 1st round pick (Buffalo)

Once again, the problem with this otherwise plausable deal is this:

Hunter has NO trade value, coming off hip surgery means no one will touch him till he proves he can play at the same level he did before. Until this happens, no proposal that includes Hunter is realistic.

So once again, change Hunter to Horvat, and we might have a deal here.

I know no one wants to give up Horvat, so here is the only other counter offer I can think of that may work:

Etem, OTT1st, VAN 1st, Tanev for BUFF 1st

That might get er' done

[elvis15]

BUF are basically trading their 1st overall (franchise player) for a 24th, 29th and 25+ overall.

No way they are doing it, specially since they have had a lot of 1st round pick the last few years (Ristolainen, Foligno, Girgemson, Grigo, Zadorov). They don't need more propsect, they need better one and will hold on to the 1st overall, unless Crosby, Malkin, Ovehckin, Toews, P.Kane and players like that are involved, or they are trading down 1 or 2 spot.

Our only shot at getting Ekblad is lottery (which is still more plausible than Buffalo trading the 1st overall).

While I don't know if it convinces Buffalo to walk away from a potential 1st overall unless they aren't high on any of the players, there is a bit of an upgrade in NHL readiness over using the picks. They certainly have plenty over this year and next to use.

Etem at least would be useful to them basically right away, but then so could Ekblad be. They'd be more interested for a decent roster player that fits with them included over Shinkaruk and another late round 1st, but they know they'll never get a player of the quality you'd mentioned to waive to come play in Buffalo the way they are now.

I'd probably keep two early firsts rather than trade them, and a three way trade is always tough with any more than 3-4 pieces, though I don't know if it'd better facilitate a deal.

EDIT: I disagree with terrible.dee on Shinkaruk. While his value is reduced, a hip surgery is something we've seen players come back from so he doesn't have zero value. We saw that with Galchenyuk, who after missing basically the whole season with a knee injury was still drafted 3rd overall in 2012. He had 2 goals and 2 assists and was a -10 in 8 games after returning from surgery but it didn't really hurt his value that much since he was ranked 4th overall by Central Scouting but actually went higher.

It's not like it's a concussion, which is an injury that has a lot of questions marks, since a hip injury and surgery have fairly predictable recovery. Look at Lack this year who had a full off season to recover like Shinkaruk will have as well.

[terrible.dee]

Quite a bit of info but I'd like some honest opinions!

To Anaheim: Ryan Kesler

To Buffalo: Hunter Shinkaruk

Emerson Etem

1st round pick (Anaheim)

I just noticed it was ANH 1st that you offered, not VAN's or OTT's

Sorry, this deal gets laughed at by BUFF,

Totally unrealistic.

See my posts above for adjustments that I believe would get the deal done.

[A Lack of Eddie]

I guess I just really liked the idea of having three picks in the top 10.. Ahaha

I also took into account that Buffalo still had a top five pick from the islanders, so that maybe they wouldn't mind getting more (2 prospects with history/chemistry + another late first) while still having a shot at picking a centre like Bennet, draisaitl, dal colle. I think its arguable that even before/with the injury, shinkaruk was one of our top prospects and he slid at the draft from a projected top 15 spot.

I also thought Anaheim offered all their picks for Kessler so that's why I didn't add anything else to the Anaheim trade.

to Anaheim Ryan Kesler

To Vancouver Anaheim late first + 1st overall

to Buffalo:Etem, Shinkaruk, 6th overall

with our late first we draft Lemeuix

is this better?? or would we need to add another pick as well?

[BI3KSA-]

BUF are basically trading their 1st overall (franchise player) for a 24th, 29th and 25+ overall.

No way they are doing it, specially since they have had a lot of 1st round pick the last few years (Ristolainen, Foligno, Girgemson, Grigo, Zadorov). They don't need more propsect, they need better one and will hold on to the 1st overall, unless Crosby, Malkin, Ovehckin, Toews, P.Kane and players like that are involved, or they are trading down 1 or 2 spot.

Our only shot at getting Ekblad is lottery (which is still more plausible than Buffalo trading the 1st overall).

He isn't talking about Anaheim's late first rounder he's talking about the one they got from Ottawa in the Bobby Ryan trade... So Buffalo is trading Ekblad for a top 5 pick and Etem and Shinkaruk. (I think thats what he means, since Buffalo still has a top 5 pick in his draft order)