ForsbergTheGreat Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 Hindsight is always 20/20 when it comes to the draft. The idea got me wondering what a team would look like if you could put teams together only using picks 1-5, 6-15, 16-30, 2nd round +, between the years 2001-2009. There is no real purpose behind this, just thought is was something Intriguing to look at. Outside picks 1-5 the draft is so hit and miss. Side notes: I went through this quick, may have missed a few guys. My notables may be different than yours Line ups aren't set, just thrown together Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted April 4, 2014 Author Share Posted April 4, 2014 Picks 1-5 Stamkos Crosby Tavares Ovechkin Malkin Kovalchuk Nash Toews Kane Backstrom Duchene Kessel Johnson Doughty Bogosian Pietrangelo Hedmen Bouwmeester Price Fluery Lehtonen Notable Forwards Ladd Wheeler Ryan J.Staal E.Kane JVR Schenn Turris E. Staal Horton Vanek Spezza Notable D Schenn E. Johnson Alzner (35/45) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted April 4, 2014 Author Share Posted April 4, 2014 Picks 6-15 Voracek Kopitar Okoposo Carter Couture Lupul Kassian Koivu Brown Semin Kadri Hemsky Suter Karlsson Seabrook Ekman-Larsson Phaneuf Hamhuis Bernier Dubnyk Notable forwards Stafford Radulov Hodgson Little Notable D Ellis Staal Shattenkirk Myers (28/90) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted April 4, 2014 Author Share Posted April 4, 2014 Picks 16-30 Steen Getzlaf Perry Parise Giroux Kesler Oshie Richards Eberle Perron Johansson Stewart Green Del Zotto Carlson Burns Gleason Schultz Rask Ward Schneider Notable Forwards Zajac Kreider Schroeder Gordon Fehr Pacioretty Notable D Niskanen Gardiner Notable Goalies Varlamov (30/135) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted April 4, 2014 Author Share Posted April 4, 2014 2nd round or higher Cammalleri Benn Neal Moulson Krejci Sharp Bergeron Backes Callahan Lucic O’Reilly Simmonds Keith Weber Subban Yandle Letang Byuglien Quick Rinne Howard Notable Forwards Pomminville Eriksson Grabovski Franzen Bolland Bickell Booth Stastny Matthias Marchand Silberberg Tartar Notable D Enstrom Edler Wideman Ehrhoff Orlov (38/1890) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22sedins33 Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 Moral of the story? Don't draft a goalie between the 6 and 15 picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted April 4, 2014 Author Share Posted April 4, 2014 Moral of the story? Don't draft a goalie between the 6 and 15 picks. I would also say to stay away from D between picks 16-30. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Aerosex Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 I'm interested how many of these top guys are from the '03 and '08 draft. Picks 6-15 Voracek Kopitar Okoposo Carter Couture LupulKassian Koivu Brown Semin Kadri Hemsky Suter Karlsson Seabrook Ekman-Larsson Phaneuf Hamhuis Bernier Dubnyk Notable forwards Stafford Radulov Hodgson Little Notable D Ellis Staal Shattenkirk Myers (28/90) So much wat Kassian is not even close to Semin, Little, Kadri, or Radulov...come on now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted April 4, 2014 Author Share Posted April 4, 2014 So much wat Kassian is not even close to Semin, Little, Kadri, or Radulov...come on now. Ha. I was thinking in terms of Brown and Kassian on a line together, could be fun to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.Am.Ironman Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 Ha. I was thinking in terms of Brown and Kassian on a line together, could be fun to watch. Kassian - Kopitar - Brown... Oh geez why hasn't LA offered us a trade yet?!?!? That line is the leagues worst nightmare Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted April 4, 2014 Author Share Posted April 4, 2014 The other thing I think about be interesting to look at is how many of the players have stayed with the team that has drafted them. I would only assume that the top 5 picks likely have a longer lifespan with the team that drafted them compared to the lower picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 Looking at the Canadian contingent in those lists and you can plainly see why all Canadian franchises are struggling to remain competitive. It's truly a tale of woe: 1-5: Spezza - Did make finals and lose. Struggles to remain healthy. Rumoured to be on the block. Price - Constant rumours of partying and whatnot. Fairly inconsistent, but is good now. L. Schenn - Traded after not panning out in TO. Three? That's it? No wonder all Canadian teams stink now. 6-15: Kadri - One-dimensional wonder Hemsky - Laughable injury history Karlsson - Great offensively, lazy defensively Phaneuf - Just not all that good Dubnyk - Sieve Hodgson - Traded prima donna 16-30: Kesler - On the block Eberle - One-dimensional Rask - Insanely traded Schneider - See Rask Schroeder - Busting out? Pacioretty - Decent, but not great. 2nd round+: Subban - Not re-signed yet. Like Price, has 'off-ice issues' blah, blah, blah and he probably won't be a career Hab. Grabovski - Traded Silverberg - Traded Edler - On the block Canadian teams have been subsidizing the south for years and years. In return for their efforts, the NHL takes their franchises and moves them south when hard times hit Canada. Most of these drafted players applaud themselves when they get traded from their Canadian team to and American one because they know they have a shot at winning then. The players on your lists traded to a Canadian team are usually overpaid, have already won a cup and/or are just in it for a paycheck. Hindsight is 20/20 alright. The draft is rigged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted April 4, 2014 Author Share Posted April 4, 2014 I really don’t know how you can rig the draft (other than who wins the lottery). It’s not like the league has crystal balls on how an 18 year old kid will develop compared to another. Players natural hockey sense is completely uncontrollable, and if he as some point in his career he can put it all together. Some player make an impact right away in the NHL and some take 3-4 years to break out. Besides that Kesler being on his way out has nothing to do with canucks drafting him. He gave this franchise 11 years of his career, he’s played his heart out every year, he doesn’t owe this team anymore if he chooses to leave. I don’t see how that has anything to do with league rigging. PS you could make the same list about players drafted by american teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted April 4, 2014 Author Share Posted April 4, 2014 Kovalchuk –bolted to russia Kessel – traded to Canadian team Bogosian – Drafted and still on Canadian team Bouwmeester traded to Canadian team Ladd - traded to Canadian team Wheeler - traded to Canadian team Ryan - traded to Canadian team JVR - traded to Canadian team Turris - traded to Canadian team Vanek - traded to Canadian team Lupul - traded to Canadian team Kassian - traded to Canadian team Semin – one dimensional Karlsson – Norris trophy winner Hamhuis - traded to Canadian team Bernier - traded to Canadian team Radulov – Bolted to russia Kesler - Drafted and still on Canadian team Perron - traded to Canadian team Gleason - traded to Canadian team Pacioretty - Drafted and still on Canadian team Gardiner- traded to Canadian team Cammalleri - traded to Canadian team Subban Drafted and still on Canadian team Byuglien- traded to Canadian team Bolland- traded to Canadian team Booth- traded to Canadian team Matthias- traded to Canadian team Enstrom Drafted and still on Canadian team Edler Drafted and still on Canadian team Wideman- traded to Canadian team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 Kovalchuk bolted to russia - So? Kessel traded to Canadian team - Yeah... For Seguin and Hamilton Bogosian Drafted and still on Canadian team - Atlanta is not a Canadian city. Bouwmeester traded to Canadian team - And underperformed there while being overpaid. Ladd - traded to Canadian team - And received a hefty pay raise. 2 cups. Wheeler - traded to Canadian team - Atlanta is not a Canadian city. Ryan - traded to Canadian team - And is heartless and overpaid. Anaheim is a way better team without him. JVR - traded to Canadian team - For Schenn Turris - traded to Canadian team - After whining his way out of Phoenix, like Wheeler did. Vanek - traded to Canadian team - And he'll be massively overpaid Lupul - traded to Canadian team - Twice. Both teams went on to do nothing. Kassian - traded to Canadian team - For Hodgson Semin one dimensional - And? Karlsson Norris trophy winner - So is Subban. Hamhuis - traded to Canadian team - Pay raise Bernier - traded to Canadian team - Pay raise Radulov Bolted to russia - So? Kesler - Drafted and still on Canadian team - For now. Perron - traded to Canadian team - St. Louis doing better without him. Edmonton not improved. Gleason - traded to Canadian team - OMG Gleason! TO did a favour by taking that contract off Carolina's hands. Pacioretty - Drafted and still on Canadian team - For now. Gardiner- traded to Canadian team - Anaheim better without him. TO not improved. Cammalleri - traded to Canadian team - Twice. LA WAY better without him. Subban Drafted and still on Canadian team - For now. Byuglien- traded to Canadian team - Pay raise. Cup. Bolland- traded to Canadian team - Pay raise coming. Booth- traded to Canadian team - Lol. After becoming spent. Matthias- traded to Canadian team - Yeah... 3rd liner upside. Enstrom Drafted and still on Canadian team - Atlanta is NOT a Canadian city. Edler Drafted and still on Canadian team - For now. Wideman- traded to Canadian team - Pay raise. I suggest you try harder to debunk what i'm saying. There is an ongoing pattern here. Look at the standings and see almost every Canadian team in the basement. A result of this pattern, which imho is a league directive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted April 4, 2014 Author Share Posted April 4, 2014 Kovalchuk bolted to russia - So? Kessel traded to Canadian team - Yeah... For Seguin and Hamilton Bogosian Drafted and still on Canadian team - Atlanta is not a Canadian city. Bouwmeester traded to Canadian team - And underperformed there while being overpaid. Ladd - traded to Canadian team - And received a hefty pay raise. 2 cups. Wheeler - traded to Canadian team - Atlanta is not a Canadian city. Ryan - traded to Canadian team - And is heartless and overpaid. Anaheim is a way better team without him. JVR - traded to Canadian team - For Schenn Turris - traded to Canadian team - After whining his way out of Phoenix, like Wheeler did. Vanek - traded to Canadian team - And he'll be massively overpaid Lupul - traded to Canadian team - Twice. Both teams went on to do nothing. Kassian - traded to Canadian team - For Hodgson Semin one dimensional - And? Karlsson Norris trophy winner - So is Subban. Hamhuis - traded to Canadian team - Pay raise Bernier - traded to Canadian team - Pay raise Radulov Bolted to russia - So? Kesler - Drafted and still on Canadian team - For now. Perron - traded to Canadian team - St. Louis doing better without him. Edmonton not improved. Gleason - traded to Canadian team - OMG Gleason! TO did a favour by taking that contract off Carolina's hands. Pacioretty - Drafted and still on Canadian team - For now. Gardiner- traded to Canadian team - Anaheim better without him. TO not improved. Cammalleri - traded to Canadian team - Twice. LA WAY better without him. Subban Drafted and still on Canadian team - For now. Byuglien- traded to Canadian team - Pay raise. Cup. Bolland- traded to Canadian team - Pay raise coming. Booth- traded to Canadian team - Lol. After becoming spent. Matthias- traded to Canadian team - Yeah... 3rd liner upside. Enstrom Drafted and still on Canadian team - Atlanta is NOT a Canadian city. Edler Drafted and still on Canadian team - For now. Wideman- traded to Canadian team - Pay raise. I suggest you try harder to debunk what i'm saying. There is an ongoing pattern here. Look at the standings and see almost every Canadian team in the basement. A result of this pattern, which imho is a league directive. I honestly have no idea what you are trying to say? ex. You say "Eberle - One-dimensional" "Kadri - One-dimensional wonder" I reply with the same reasoning "Semin - one dimensional" -you reply with "And?" Either way. how does a player being one dimensional have anything to do with rigging in the draft. Kalrsson is one of the best defence in the league and Norris trophy winner. Any team would line up to have him, but yet because he was drafted by a canadian team he's not good and "lazy defensively" and the sens were rigged out of something good. Tell that to; LA, CBJ, CAR, and CHI who ended bust pinking before the sens. What are you trying to say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 I honestly have no idea what you are trying to say? ex. You say "Eberle - One-dimensional" "Kadri - One-dimensional wonder" I reply with the same reasoning "Semin - one dimensional" -you reply with "And?"Semin isn't and hasn't been involved with a Canadian team. If you want some Russian failures on Canadian teams, see Yakupov, Kovalev, Mogilny, Burmistrov, Antropov, etc. etc. Hell, even Bure. However, i can see Semin being traded to a Canadian team eventually. I said look at the standings, then my list, then your list that i edited, and please come to a reasonable conclusion. Even if you don't believe the conspiracy crap, there is a ton of evidence pointing towards what i've been saying for months if not years about Canadian teams subsidizing the south with talent and taking on inflated contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted April 4, 2014 Author Share Posted April 4, 2014 Semin isn't and hasn't been involved with a Canadian team. If you want some Russian failures on Canadian teams, see Yakupov, Kovalev, Mogilny, Burmistrov, Antropov, etc. etc. However, i can see Semin being traded to a Canadian team eventually. Perhaps the Canucks??? I don't get what your trying to say? How was canucks drafting Kesler involve rigging in the NHL draft? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted April 4, 2014 Author Share Posted April 4, 2014 Semin isn't and hasn't been involved with a Canadian team. If you want some Russian failures on Canadian teams, see Yakupov, Kovalev, Mogilny, Burmistrov, Antropov, etc. etc. Hell, even Bure. However, i can see Semin being traded to a Canadian team eventually.I said look at the standings, then my list, then your list that i edited, and please come to a reasonable conclusion. Even if you don't believe the conspiracy crap, there is a ton of evidence pointing towards what i've been saying for months if not years about Canadian teams subsidizing the south with talent and taking on inflated contracts. So what your saying is because Canadian teams are having an off year 2014, this year it's all atrributed to the NHL draft? What happen in 2011 and Kesler was a big reason canucks went to the cup? Are you just dicrediting that? Same with OTT and how big of role Spezza played in their 2007 run? What is just a ruise for the great demise of canadian teams in 2014? Or the NHL rigged the draft in 2008 so that the sens would get stuck with Karlsson and his lazy defensive ability and gave the southern market teams like the Hurricanes CBJ and Hawks, those real NHL gems like Beach, Boychuk, Filiatov... I get it now.... NHL rigging the draft indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 Perhaps the Canucks??? I don't get what your trying to say? How was canucks drafting Kesler involve rigging in the NHL draft?Well, if you want to focus on the 2003 draft, look at Edmonton drafting an outright bust that year. How was that even possible in the strongest draft ever, i dunno. Oh wait, i do. Edmonton simply wasn't allowed to draft a decent player. Then look at Calgary picking Phaneuf, the entitled headcase cancer, Montreal picking Kostitsyn, another Russian drama queen, both of him demanded out fairly early on in their careers. If you look at all of the Canadian teams' picks that year you'll see Kesler being the only pick by a Canadian team to do anything significant for his drafted team, and now he wants out. That will complete the circle of failure. Kesler was originally going to amount to being a 3rd line grinding center and it was only after Gillis came here and performed some player usage, moneypuck, sleep doctor blah blah blah magic did Kesler start being regarded higher. Meanwhile, Anaheim was granted Getzlaf and Perry, who are can't miss mvp-style cornerstones. Getzlaf was the 5th-ranked player in the draft, but he 'mysteriously fell' to 19th. Dustin Brown was ranked 3rd. He also 'mysteriously fell' to 13th. Anaheim and LA have both won cups with these guys as cornerstones. Doesn't look like hindsight when scouts had them pegged and they still fell. You'll see this happening in many, many drafts. Trust me. It's rigged. In order to boost Bettman's blessed/entitled franchises down south. Colorado has benefitted recently from this. CBJ is going to as well. Florida. It's all going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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