NucksCup2015 Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 As I heard the news today, which I was pleased with, then saw the interviews with many of the players and in particular the reactions by Kesler, Burrows and Bieksa, I wondered....as much a number of people are clearly worried about Linden's inexperience etc, perhaps Acqua man just pulled one out of the hat. 1. Every one of those players, said great things about him, in particular, how much HE MEANT TO THEM as players = respect. And these werent platitudes, watch the Kenward piece and look at their faces, their eyes, the closeness when he shakes hands with these guys....there is alot of appreciation. Its like a big brother just game home to help around the crappy house...and the little brothers are so damn pleased for it. 2. Every one of those players now remembers that feeling of his leadership, that they felt when they were developing as players and as Kesler said "Linden took him under his wing". 3. Every one of those players will be reminded of the legacy that man left every day and what his legacy was. It was "We are going to win, and if we don't I am going damn well die trying". This is what Trevor Linden signifies to this city, the organization. And thats exactly what we need back in this group, the I wont quit attitude, that has always been what the Nucks stood for. Growing up in the 70's and 80's boy we had garbage teams but they gave it everything. Smyl, Fraser, Snepts, Butcher, Brodeur on an on, misfits with a bit of talent that fought like dogs and lost. Then came Trevor, the first real heart and soul guy with talent...and things changed. But the concept of what it meant to be a Canuck was never lost with him. It was only this group that somehow forgot, that work wins. They have the talent but stopped working, today, perhaps they were reminded what it takes to win. 4. They tried to inspire this group with Torts, it worked for a while and then faded for a whole host of reasons. Injuries, lack of depth, and perhaps the system that needs to be altered but we can say this season was a failure in that expirement, will Torts get another shot, who knows but the point is this.... 5. Linden is to this core, THEIR LEADER. This team was lacking leadership and that heart and soul that could guide them, that they also respected. I do think the players were tired of Gillis (Manny, Lou, Schnieds, on and on)... Maybe Acqua man is a smart businessman after all...he finally see's how to fix this group without dismantling it..... I for one was very pleased to see a shine in Kesler's eye, a respect for this organization i havent seen in a long time. He is really the key here, and if hiring Linden allows Kes to have someone guide him again, which is what he needs to find the next level on a consistent basis....well we may have just solved some major issues.... Go Canucks Go....I am excited already for next year.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRussianRocket. Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 I think he already has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silfverberg Snipes Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 Attitude doesn't matter, this entire team had a ridiculously positive outlook for most of the year under Tort's. The fact of the matter is that Linden and the new GM have to put their money where their mouth is. They have until July 11th. I'm interested in what they're offering, but they aren't miracle workers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJDDawg Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 His leadership can't help them in the dressing room. This group is done. He's not going to inspire them. If it takes a Linden getting the presidency to inspire some of these players, then they should be the first ones to go. It's now up to Linden to hire the right people for the key positions of GM and coach, so that this team can make the changes necessary to finally move forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gross-Misconduct Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 Attitude doesn't matter, this entire team had a ridiculously positive outlook for most of the year under Tort's. The fact of the matter is that Linden and the new GM have to put their money where their mouth is. They have until July 11th. I'm interested in what they're offering, but they aren't miracle workers. Did they really? Or were they putting on smiles for the camera? Nobody truly knows how positive or cohesive the Canucks were this year. IMO, they were not a happy bunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NucksCup2015 Posted April 10, 2014 Author Share Posted April 10, 2014 His leadership can't help them in the dressing room. This group is done. He's not going to inspire them. If it takes a Linden getting the presidency to inspire some of these players, then they should be the first ones to go. It's now up to Linden to hire the right people for the key positions of GM and coach, so that this team can make the changes necessary to finally move forward. I disagree... Some times a group can lose their way....the crap around this team has been a circus for the past 3 years and alot of it MG's doing. I don't dispute the points made that the players need to man up, are responsible etc but group think is a very difficult thing to break once it takes hold. Team dynamics and the study of it are very important in sports, business etc for a reason, because teams are people, people have emotions, emotions are infectious as are attitudes. Why do you think teams that get 'hot' at the right time go on to win cups for the most part? Because mentally, as a group they are together. MG split this team apart, negativity crept in, and once its in, if it takes a life of its own you are in trouble. You can't tell me the way these guys have played in the last 20 games is what they are capable, brain farts left and right, bad positioning, not scoring, etc etc. These are not bad hockey players, its not a bad system, its a bad mindset. Sure one can argue remove all the problem players but if the issue is not one or two or three players but rather the team 'mindset' well it doesn't matter if you bring in 2-3 different guys, the mindset won't change Acqua man figured it out....wait and see.....watch that video they weren't 'saying the right things'...this to them was a relief, a big reminder of what it means to be a Canuck and what leadership and TEAM mean...because that's what Linden embodies. This team is not bad, their COLLECTIVE heads are....and if anyone is going to remind them of how they got to the top, its him, because he was their teacher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NucksCup2015 Posted April 10, 2014 Author Share Posted April 10, 2014 Did they really? Or were they putting on smiles for the camera? Nobody truly knows how positive or cohesive the Canucks were this year. IMO, they were not a happy bunch. watch the video...its mannerisms friend...how they shake hands, how they talk, you may choose to disagree that's fine, but I saw a much higher level of respect for him than I have ever seen for MG and perhaps its because as I said, he taught them all how to compete at this level, there is a level of respect he's earned in their eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gross-Misconduct Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 As for the OP;s question, I say no. Linden does not appear to be eat, sleep, breathe hockey as say a Cam Nelly or Stevie Y. I think he will have doubts and apprehension if, more like when, things get tough watch the video...its mannerisms friend...how they shake hands, how they talk, you may choose to disagree that's fine, but I saw a much higher level of respect for him than I have ever seen for MG and perhaps its because as I said, he taught them all how to compete at this level, there is a level of respect he's earned in their eyes. You mean the respect for Torts? A lot of the Canucks on this team this year went to game 7 of the Stanley Cup finals. I dont think Torts taught them how to compete at this level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spur1 Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 As for the OP;s question, I say no. Linden does not appear to be eat, sleep, breathe hockey as say a Cam Nelly or Stevie Y. I think he will have doubts and apprehension if, more like when, things get tough You mean the respect for Torts? A lot of the Canucks on this team this year went to game 7 of the Stanley Cup finals. I dont think Torts taught them how to compete at this level.Where did you get that stuff? Got any more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 As for the OP;s question, I say no. Linden does not appear to be eat, sleep, breathe hockey as say a Cam Nelly or Stevie Y. I think he will have doubts and apprehension if, more like when, things get tough You mean the respect for Torts? A lot of the Canucks on this team this year went to game 7 of the Stanley Cup finals. I dont think Torts taught them how to compete at this level. So unbelievably wrong. There are literally thousands of people in this province who have actually spent time with the man and I'm sure almost all will tell you the opposite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 That's great and all that they respect Linden, but the Canucks don't need an "attitude" change. That's not the source of their struggles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShakyWalton Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 Lindens a great guy with a positive outlook, a breath of fresh air for this team, but he isnt Superman,,changes still have to be made, this team isnt going anywhere with this same core, we need new faces, proven scoring and a whole different attitude in the dressing room..a new coach wouldnt hurt either. If they ice the same team again next year except for a couple of rookies...its going to be a long year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icycold Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 Oh great, another someone who thinks a completely (green) _rookie_ to say the best from the situation (pres of hockey ops) is going to do something that he's not capable of.This ship has sunk and now there's bricks being thrown into it as it goes down...What part of *we're really screwed now* even worse than yesterday do people not get??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucks.brad Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 I can tell you the attitude/image of this team corporately has changed already. it is much more positive. that being said..the team on the ice is still the same group of guys. if left unchanged we are going no where next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 Attitude doesn't matter, this entire team had a ridiculously positive outlook for most of the year under Tort's. The fact of the matter is that Linden and the new GM have to put their money where their mouth is. They have until July 11th. I'm interested in what they're offering, but they aren't miracle workers. If they serve the same core, they better surround that core with amazing players. Otherwise, another early exit. And no, changing the coach isn't going to do it. I don't think Linden wants to fire a Cup winning coach, unless someone even better comes along and that means a very recent Stanley Cup winning coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Stork Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 Letting Gillis go made my day yesterday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Stork Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 And Linden will bring the Cup to Vancouver in consecutive years starting next season Go Blue and Green Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absent Canuck Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 watch the video...its mannerisms friend...how they shake hands, how they talk, you may choose to disagree that's fine, but I saw a much higher level of respect for him than I have ever seen for MG and perhaps its because as I said, he taught them all how to compete at this level, there is a level of respect he's earned in their eyes. For me this was key as well. I watched very closely . To me the players are unsure of Trevor but know him as a great guy. They also made it very clear they felt their performance on the ice cost Gillis his job and they were very sad about it. Had great things to say about Gillis. He made his mistakes but from all the interviews its abundantly clear now that Gillis was the one who wanted Torts, Not Aquilini. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icycold Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 Letting Gillis go made my day yesterdayThat's because clearly you know nothing about hockey, much like 80% of these boards who have no clue about hockey but sure have a opinion based on about the same amount of knowledge you do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HunterHorvatBure Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 It's better than nothing ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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