RUPERTKBD Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 I chose not to make a new thread over it but thought that some people might be interested since players like Bieksa, Burrows, Hansen, and other core players still with this team may be happy to have a new GM who isn't going to tell them when to go to bed. Rupert, please do not assume what I am thinking. My happiness has nothing to do with trashing members of the Canucks organization. In fact I just posted about how people shouldn't be trashing AV. It was interesting information related to one Canucks' experience with the policies of a former GM. Give me a break.I saw that actually, but unfortunately after I had made the post above. I apologize for lumping you in with the people I was describing. I think that we can agree that there certainly are people here who do exactly that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down by the River Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 I saw that actually, but unfortunately after I had made the post above. I apologize for lumping you in with the people I was describing. I think that we can agree that there certainly are people here who do exactly that. No problem at all and I am 100% in agreement. Gillis had some terrific qualities, probably one of the more analytical GMs in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 No problem at all and I am 100% in agreement. Gillis had some terrific qualities, probably one of the more analytical GMs in the league. I agree. He certainly made his share of mistakes, but I think the criticism we see on this board is a tad overblown. It was kind of funny reading about Mitchell's "solution" to the sleep monitor. I doubt that you'd find very many adults who appreciate being told that it's bedtime. However, it's hard to argue with the results. It actually reminds me of a favorite story: Back in the 90's, the Devils were on a charter back to New Jersey after a disappointing loss. Upset at his team's performance, Jacques Lemaire decreed that there would be no beer served on the flight home. When he heard about this, Esa Tikkanen reportedly said "What! I've got five Stanley Cups! Who's going to tell me I can't have a beer!"... To which, one of the Devils' vets replied: "The guy who has ten Cups"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tearloch7 Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 I agree. He certainly made his share of mistakes, but I think the criticism we see on this board is a tad overblown. It was kind of funny reading about Mitchell's "solution" to the sleep monitor. I doubt that you'd find very many adults who appreciate being told that it's bedtime. However, it's hard to argue with the results. It actually reminds me of a favorite story: Back in the 90's, the Devils were on a charter back to New Jersey after a disappointing loss. Upset at his team's performance, Jacques Lemaire decreed that there would be no beer served on the flight home. When he heard about this, Esa Tikkanen reportedly said "What! I've got five Stanley Cups! Who's going to tell me I can't have a beer!"... To which, one of the Devils' vets replied: "The guy who has ten Cups"... Good one .. reflects the 'Old Boys Club' mentality in the NHL. .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puck'nAnimal Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 I agree. He certainly made his share of mistakes, but I think the criticism we see on this board is a tad overblown. It was kind of funny reading about Mitchell's "solution" to the sleep monitor. I doubt that you'd find very many adults who appreciate being told that it's bedtime. However, it's hard to argue with the results. It actually reminds me of a favorite story: Back in the 90's, the Devils were on a charter back to New Jersey after a disappointing loss. Upset at his team's performance, Jacques Lemaire decreed that there would be no beer served on the flight home. When he heard about this, Esa Tikkanen reportedly said "What! I've got five Stanley Cups! Who's going to tell me I can't have a beer!"... To which, one of the Devils' vets replied: "The guy who has ten Cups"... I remember that one. Yep. Probably the first time the Tick was speechless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCanuck Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 Some people aren't happy unless they're slagging former members of the Canucks' organization. If this were a coaching thread, we'd be seeing garbage comments on how AV is the reason for the Rags being down 3-0 and if it we're about players, some idiot would have mentioned Mason Raymond falling down a lot...what's wrong with talking crap about competitors, it's a sport after all. Better than the other half of the fan base that falls in love with the former Canuck Only when they are gone. Then turns around and whines about their own team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down by the River Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 I agree. He certainly made his share of mistakes, but I think the criticism we see on this board is a tad overblown. It was kind of funny reading about Mitchell's "solution" to the sleep monitor. I doubt that you'd find very many adults who appreciate being told that it's bedtime. However, it's hard to argue with the results. It actually reminds me of a favorite story: Back in the 90's, the Devils were on a charter back to New Jersey after a disappointing loss. Upset at his team's performance, Jacques Lemaire decreed that there would be no beer served on the flight home. When he heard about this, Esa Tikkanen reportedly said "What! I've got five Stanley Cups! Who's going to tell me I can't have a beer!"... To which, one of the Devils' vets replied: "The guy who has ten Cups"... Ha! Not easy to shut Tikanen up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down by the River Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 what's wrong with talking crap about competitors, it's a sport after all. Better than the other half of the fan base that falls in love with the former Canuck Only when they are gone. Then turns around and whines about their own team. Talking crap is only fine when it has merit. Most of the criticism is never backed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 I agree. He certainly made his share of mistakes, but I think the criticism we see on this board is a tad overblown.It was kind of funny reading about Mitchell's "solution" to the sleep monitor. I doubt that you'd find very many adults who appreciate being told that it's bedtime. However, it's hard to argue with the results.It actually reminds me of a favorite story: Back in the 90's, the Devils were on a charter back to New Jersey after a disappointing loss. Upset at his team's performance, Jacques Lemaire decreed that there would be no beer served on the flight home.When he heard about this, Esa Tikkanen reportedly said "What! I've got five Stanley Cups! Who's going to tell me I can't have a beer!"...To which, one of the Devils' vets replied: "The guy who has ten Cups"...Loved Mitchell's story. Willie cannot win enough CUPs IMO.Tikkanen was a classic character. My son's bantam team was in Van for Provincials and Rick Ley got usinto a Canuck practice. All the boys are sitting in the stands at the blue line. Tikkanen fired 3 wristers from the blue line and put all 3 off the cross bar! Before each shot he looked at the kids and smiled only the way he could smile! All the way back to the hotel all our kids could do is debatewhether he did that on purpose or not.Rick Ley was nice enough to let the kids into that practice but I was disappointed that not many Canucks went out of their way to acknowledge the kids. Tikkanen, Tim Hunter and Corey Hirsh were outstanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJDDawg Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 Willie Mitchell on how he beat Gillis' sleep science regime: Sounds like the players might have been annoyed with Gillis' micromanagement. Very interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puck'nAnimal Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 Despite the fact that he was a 1994 Ranger, Tick was one of the guys who embraced being a Canuck as well during his short time here. I choose to overlook the 62 games in 1996-97 before he got traded to the Rangers. Part of that problem I think was Tom Renney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 Despite the fact that he was a 1994 Ranger, Tick was one of the guys who embraced being a Canuck as well during his short time here. I choose to overlook the 62 games in 1996-97 before he got traded to the Rangers. Part of that problem I think was Tom Renney. As always, there are two sides to every story. This is from lcshockey.com and is closer to how I remember it: After dressing for just nine games with the Devils, Tikkanen was on his way to Vancouver for a second-round draft choice. The problems started immediately. First, it was rumored that Tikkanen wouldn't report. Then, he wanted his contract renegotiated. When he finally did get to Vancouver, he failed his team medical, thanks to years of damage to his knees. After a great deal of testing, rehab, and checking past medical records, Tikkanen finally joined the team more than a month later, announcing "Moses is here". The Canucks' fortunes did improve when Tikkanen first took to the ice, and he was his usual formidable shadow' self against Peter Forsberg in the playoffs. But the situation turned really ugly this year at training camp, thanks to an early clash with rookie coach Tom Renney over the coach's banning of beer on post-game charters. "I'll get a doctor's note," quipped Tikk with his usual lack of respect for authority. Renney was not amused. When Tikkanen joined the club last season, Vancouver was believed to be a good team with a missing superstar going through a period of mediocrity. With the addition of Renney and the return of Pavel Bure, the team's fortunes did not improve. For an aging player looking to win one last Stanley Cup, this did not sit well with Tikkanen. He stayed focused on winning, but pretty much decided that Renney's methods weren't going to make it happen. It was not unusual, during games, to see one group of players huddled around Renney, listening to his instructions, while Tikkanen was frantically talking and gesturing to the rest of the team, explaining his ideas. While it may be true that Tikkanen is gradually losing his physical abilities, there's no doubt that he has an outstanding grasp of the mental side of the game. Tikkanen's situation with the Canucks began to come to a head a couple of months ago. Unhappy with the team's direction and looking for a great new contract to start his free-agent years, Tikkanen and his agent Rich Winter went public with the rather acrimonious state of their negotiations to date. They said that, if the Canucks did not make improvements and had no intention of keeping Tikkanen beyond the end of the season, as their contract offers had indicated, that they would prefer to see the player traded. Tikkanen even threatened to withdraw his services until a deal was made, although he did stay with the team until the bitter end and even scored in his last game with a skate on his chest. Despite Tikk's value as a hockey player, by this point it was clear that Pat Quinn would probably be better off dealing the player out of the Vancouver dressing room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal1 Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 Yes they have aged. But they also were asked to change their role and play two way minutes. Part by coaching (Torts) philosophy. "Your best players should play against best competition." And part due to degradation of depth players being available to handle that side of hockey for us. It took them away from "sheltered" offensive minutes where they piled up points in the past. It also added significant wear to their bodies. They were constantly playing injured this year. Same with Edler. For most of the year he played the toughest defensive minutes and the highest quality opposition. Why? Who knows. Most if not all Canuck fans know he's not our best defensive D. Nor did he play on the first PP a lot of the year. He's a formal all star doing just that. He owns 95% of Garrison's shot with more accuracy and he is waaaay better at handling the puck. He should run the power play! The Twins and Edler will do much better when slotted back into roles that make sense for them.I agree that Edler will do well when he is not asked to play against good players. As for the Sedins, they are on the decline and yes they may do better but only if the new coach manages to keep them away from the other teams' best players.I fwe 'shelter' them like you say, yes they will do better. As for playing constantly injured, well that comes with age, not much can be done about that, the same applies to Kesler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal1 Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 Very interesting.I'm sure they were annoyed by a lot more than that about Gillis. Don't only take Mitchell's word, ask Luongo, ask Schneider, ask Kesler, ask Hodgson- some decent players in there by the way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gyllenhaal Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 Found this on HF boards, just gonna throw it in here. Read from bottom and go up. Nav097 @Nav097 · 1m Quote: #CanucksTownHallRichmond Just my opinion based on tonight: Coach - WillieD Kesler - Gone Draft - A forward (unlikley to get 1st overall) Nav097 @Nav097 · 3m Quote: #CanucksTownHallRichmond (2/2) ... Linden pointed out Burrows, Hansen, Edler specifically. Nav097 @Nav097 · 10s Quote: #CanucksTownHallRichmond (1/2) When discussing players who had terrible/unlucky years last year... Nav097 @Nav097 · 1m Quote: #CanucksTownHallRichmond (2/2) ... JB seemed interested in the result of that game. #JustSayin #WillieDComeOnDown #TWSS #sorrynotsorry Nav097 @Nav097 · 2m Quote: #CanucksTownHallRichmond (1/2) During a brief discussion w/ JB during intros, I mentioned Desjardins's team ended up in OT... Nav097 @Nav097 · 4m Quote: #CanucksTownHallRichmond When asked to provide a top 5 or top 10 list of coaching candidates, Benning wouldn't mind. Nav097 @Nav097 · 8m Quote: #CanucksTownHallRichmond Re: Lu-Schneidz, Benning indirectly had a "no comment" & Linden joked "the past is the past, we'll look forward" Nav097 @Nav097 · 10m Quote: #CanucksTownHallRichmond Benning living in Olympic Village, family should be in town on Wednesday, isn't stressed at all about the position Nav097 @Nav097 · 11m Quote: #CanucksTownHallRichmond Linden explained when asked about needing a new Captain that Hank is the Captain and he's the definition of leader Nav097 @Nav097 · 13m Quote: #CanucksTownHallRichmond Buyouts were not questioned... unfortunately too many people wasted time whining about prices of shirts and food Nav097 @Nav097 · 17m Quote: #CanucksTownHallRichmond VDB re: Beer Prices continually going up 50 cents/yr - "The prices will definitely "change" this year" #UpOrDown? Nav097 @Nav097 · 18m Quote: #CanucksTownHallRichmond Benning talked to Tallon re: 1st overall pick. Expects Tallon to decide what to do w/ pick night b4 draft Nav097 @Nav097 · 21m Quote: #CanucksTownHallRichmond Q: Will prices of t-shirts go down? A via VDB: (paraphrased)... blah blah, spectrum of prices, it all depends Nav097 @Nav097 · 1h Quote: Linden re: Kesler - We think things will work out for "us". - IMO, sounds like he's getting dealt soon. #CanucksTownHallRichmond Nav097 @Nav097 · 1h Quote: Benning: We will take forwards with our first two round picks. #CanucksTownHallRichmond @blakeprice1040 @BradZiemer @RJHenderson7 Nav097 @Nav097 · 2h Quote: De Bonis: Certain home weekday games will likely begin at 6PM to ensure kids can attend games on school nights. #CanucksTownHallRichmond Nav097 @Nav097 · 2h Quote: Benning confirms he has had talks with Tallon about the 1st overall pick. Expects Tallon to make decision night before draft. #Canucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 "We'll do whatever we need to do to make the team competitive, including talking to players with no trade clauses." - Benning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 "Our goal is to make the playoffs. We want to develop our players in a winning environment." - Benning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plum Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 "Our goal is to make the playoffs. We want to develop our players in a winning environment." - BenningThat is crucial to have a good hockey team for many years to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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