Fred65 Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 Interesting article and stats of comparing the 2 systems http://nhl.si.com/2014/01/15/fancystats-quietly-leading-nhl-teams-to-dump-the-dump-and-chase-strategy/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NucksCup2015 Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 pretty obvious, take the zone with possession and you get better chances.a fan could intuitively see this if they watch hockey, how many times to dump ins actually end up working, here the dumping team gets possession back?I have always found the dump and chase method stupid unless its the 3rd and 4th lines where their role is to hit. In that regard it makes sense, dump it in, then go hit the guy when he gets the puck. Do that all night, ever 3/4th line shift and the dmen get tired out, they start rushing their passes etc..Common hockey strategy...expecting your top 2 lines to do that is stupidity...and if that's what Torts wants (none of us know that), well then yes he should go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 exactly why tortorella is done in the nhl. this is common sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred65 Posted April 12, 2014 Author Share Posted April 12, 2014 exactly why tortorella is done in the nhl. this is common sense. BINGO thats why I thought the article was relevent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hlinkas wrister Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 pretty obvious, take the zone with possession and you get better chances. a fan could intuitively see this if they watch hockey, how many times to dump ins actually end up working, here the dumping team gets possession back? I have always found the dump and chase method stupid unless its the 3rd and 4th lines where their role is to hit. In that regard it makes sense, dump it in, then go hit the guy when he gets the puck. Do that all night, ever 3/4th line shift and the dmen get tired out, they start rushing their passes etc.. Common hockey strategy...expecting your top 2 lines to do that is stupidity...and if that's what Torts wants (none of us know that), well then yes he should go It was a lot more effective strategy before hybrid icing and the plethora of Shanabans handed out for hits from behind. In essence a move towards player safety has effected a change towards more skilled puck-possession hockey. It will be interesting to see how the icing rule holds up or changes playoff hockey this year when the whistles typically get put away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magician Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 Dump and chase is so boring to watch. Half the time the other teams gets the puck and fires it out for their own rush. With the Sedins we should be top 5 in carrying the puck in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuktravella Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 If we had bangers and muckers dump and chase works but defense usually gets puck out of zone before we have a chance to get puck for a point shot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 If we had bangers and muckers dump and chase works but defense usually gets puck out of zone before we have a chance to get puck for a point shot a good puck possession team will dominate a good dump and chase team 9 times out of 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insomniac604 Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 I don't like the dump & chase. Getting the puck back is hard, gritty work. By the time you have it again you have not only taken a few bumps but expended your energy.I certainly understand it's use in many situations. But all season long Torts has made us fork it over when the Canucks used to be dynamite at entering zones possessively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M A K A V E L I 96 Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 There's also 15-20 turnovers in the game resulting from dumping the puck for a change. They should be smarter about how they change and keep position by passing back if need be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 I've been saying this all season. Dump and chase is the last option when there is no other play to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpt Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 exactly why tortorella is done in the nhl. this is common sense. You do realize that the Canucks were 8th best in puck possession this year right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 Definitely agree that a "puck possession" style tends to win out over "dump and chase."Interestingly, the Canucks 2013-14 numbers suggest that they were fairly successful in puck possession. They were 9th in the league in Fenwick Close.I think part of the problem was shot selection and also the type of shots Torts' system tended to create/allow for large stretches of the season. Team shooting percentage went down nearly a full percent from where it had been in previous years.But to be fair to Torts, there were players going through unprecedented slumps and so many injuries (especially at the top end of the roster), so it's hard to parse the data without taking some mitigating factors into consideration.On the other side of the puck, I felt that Torts' "collapsing" system on defense was possibly an even bigger factor. For large portions of this season, the Canucks defended with a system that basically surrendered the neutral zone and allowed their opponents uncontested offensive zone entries.Not only did this create easy offensive possession for opponents but it took away much of the counter attack and transition game that had previously been an important part of this team's success.I think the big question is how much these factors were "intent" (ie: Torts wanted them to play that way) or "result" (ie: the consequences of injuries, personnel issues, and execution/preparation failures).Hopefully, Linden and the new management team will be able to sort through everything and figure out where the fault truly sits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xereau Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 Play the dump and chase and bang style with a team of puck possessers, and you end up with half a team by half season. Sound familiar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 Puck possession is always preferable, but it's a myth that the Canucks are not a puck possession team. They have been for several years now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 Dump and chase is for slow, less skilled teams. Unimaginative and boring unless you just like the crash and banging on boards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tearloch7 Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 There is a time for dump and chase .. I like it when we are up by 4 goals in the third period, are rolling 4 lines, and want the other team to have to come 200 feet for every shot .. BTW .. Trev .. adding a puck possession player like Vrbata would be nice .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roland Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 pretty obvious, take the zone with possession and you get better chances. a fan could intuitively see this if they watch hockey, how many times to dump ins actually end up working, here the dumping team gets possession back? I have always found the dump and chase method stupid unless its the 3rd and 4th lines where their role is to hit. In that regard it makes sense, dump it in, then go hit the guy when he gets the puck. Do that all night, ever 3/4th line shift and the dmen get tired out, they start rushing their passes etc.. Common hockey strategy...expecting your top 2 lines to do that is stupidity...and if that's what Torts wants (none of us know that), well then yes he should go +1, agree with 100% of what you said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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