J.I.A.H.N Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 With all the trade and draft proposals it made me wonder what the value of our expndable players are worth. Below are the players I think are expendable, NOT whether they have NTC or not, just simply what are they worth in draft choices and prospects? #1 Alex Edler....................................1st rounder (Mid 2014 10th pick or 2 -2nds) #2 Alex Burrows...............................3rd rounder any year #3 Chris Higgins...............................2nd rounder any year #4 Jordan Schroeder........................3rd rounder 2014 or 4th rounder 2015 #5 Jason Garrison.............................1st rounder (Mid rounder any year) #6 David Booth..................................3rd rounder 2014 or 4th rounder 2015 I would Kesler in there but, he is not expendable under normal circumstances and will only say that he should be considered a 1st line player if trading. Point being that IF Vancouver had a center that could be used for 2nd line duties, having Kesler play with the Sedins all year would make that a much more threatening line.......there by making him a 1st line winger......I think he deserves that much praise. Actually he would make a first line woinger on a lot of clubs, if they choose to play him there. Keslers Value is along the lines of: either Theadore/Etem/Ottawa 2014 or Poulet/Bennet/Pitts 1st-2014 What you are trading for in Kesler is the Immediate Improvement in your club to compete for the Stanley Cup for the next 5 to 6 years, while your core is still able to compete at the top. Something that none of the other picks and prospects can do, in the same time frame. Nothing new on the Kesler front, just putting it out there that I want a top end defense prospect, a young player and a pick.........didn't see any other team even discuss that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrChill Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 So Burrows, booth, Schroeder have the same value in your mind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted April 29, 2014 Author Share Posted April 29, 2014 So Burrows, booth, Schroeder have the same value in your mind? Pretty much. I love Burrows, and his energy, but I have been wondering how he gets the points he gets, and have wondered when he was going to drop in production for years.......honestly, my views are that the Sedins make the winger and not the other way around, history proves me right. Again, I love him, but is he any better than Booth or Schroeder? IMO when you consider age, longevity, potential.....I can only give Burrows a slight edge, and a very small one at that.....when was the last time you heard some team make an offer for him or even hear a rumour? I think age is the biggest thing now. Maybe I am wrong....hope so! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonMexico Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Think about it for a second. If a player is expendable, how on Earth do you think any GM would be able to get a 1st round pick for them? My definition of an expensable player is that they are redundant and generally considered worthless - not even close to being able to retrieve a 1st round pick for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madness Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Lol burrows is worth more than Schroeder or booth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrChill Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Pretty much. I love Burrows, and his energy, but I have been wondering how he gets the points he gets, and have wondered when he was going to drop in production for years.......honestly, my views are that the Sedins make the winger and not the other way around, history proves me right. Again, I love him, but is he any better than Booth or Schroeder? IMO when you consider age, longevity, potential.....I can only give Burrows a slight edge, and a very small one at that.....when was the last time you heard some team make an offer for him or even hear a rumour? I think age is the biggest thing now. Maybe I am wrong....hope so! Terribly terribly wrong..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucks155 Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Am I the only one who agrees w/ these values? I think they're fairly accurate. Except for that Kesler trade. You'd have to take out at least one item in both deals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted April 29, 2014 Author Share Posted April 29, 2014 Think about it for a second. If a player is expendable, how on Earth do you think any GM would be able to get a 1st round pick for them? My definition of an expensable player is that they are redundant and generally considered worthless - not even close to being able to retrieve a 1st round pick for. I understand your definition, but mine is a little different. First off, these guys are all NHL hockey players, and how I look at is, who are the guys that have value, but we could afford to loose because we have guys either ahead of them or behind them on the depth chart. It doesn't mean they are worthless. IMO if you can replace a player with a prospect or a UFA and get an asset (Draft Pick) back, then you are ahead of the game. And if you can balance this on a yearly basis.......you are the GM of Detroit, Chicago or Boston. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted April 29, 2014 Author Share Posted April 29, 2014 Lol burrows is worth more than Schroeder or booth Yeah, sure......say that, but don't give an opinion on the question.......give some values and have everyone look at your opinions! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Burrows worth the same as Booth and Schroeder? Yea ok...Burr's worth at least a mid-2nd and even then he's more valuable to us. Am I the only one who agrees w/ these values? I think they're fairly accurate. Except for that Kesler trade. You'd have to take out at least one item in both deals. Because you grossly underrate our players... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted April 29, 2014 Author Share Posted April 29, 2014 Burrows worth the same as Booth and Schroeder? Yea ok...Burr's worth at least a mid-2nd and even then he's more valuable to us. Because you grossly underrate our players... Dear Pears Thank you for putting a value on Burrows.........I agree that maybe Mtl or NYR give up that......but probably no other team.......but I ask you, IF Jensen plays witht the Sedins, where does Burrows fit......just a question! Again thank you....a concept some of my other guests do not appriciate PS would you mind putting values on the other players I suggested or do you agree with them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OptionalPants Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 I would say Burrows is worth a 2nd rounder, probably mid-round Schroeder is probably worth a fourth at most, and Edler might not be worth a first anymore; probably a 2nd round Otherwise I agree with your values (except the Kesler trades, we probably get a little too much) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absent Canuck Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 #1 Alex Edler....................................1st rounder (Mid 2014 10th pick or 2 -2nds) #2 Alex Burrows...............................3rd rounder any year #3 Chris Higgins...............................2nd rounder any year #4 Jordan Schroeder........................3rd rounder 2014 or 4th rounder 2015 #5 Jason Garrison.............................1st rounder (Mid rounder any year) #6 David Booth..................................3rd rounder 2014 or 4th rounder 2015 Keslers Value is along the lines of: either Theadore/Etem/Ottawa 2014 or Poulet/Bennet/Pitts 1st-2014 Interesting thread. I would have to go with this ; Kesler ; 1) Columbus - Wennberg + mid level prospect + 1st in 2015 2) Ducks - Etem + Ottawa 1st 2014 + Ducks 1st 2015 3) Pittsburg - Pouliot + Bennett or 1st in 2014/15 Canucks choose. Alex Edler - 1st round pick + lower blue chip prospect Chris Higgins - 2nd round pick plus low prospect or AHL call up. Jordan Schroeder - Qualify him or let him walk as UFA Jason Garrison - 1st round pick or mid level top 6 forward David Booth - virtually nothing . A 5th rounder to take the remaining year. Dan Hamhuis - high 1st round pick plus medium prospect Yannik Hansen -2nd round or 3rd round draft pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucks155 Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Because you grossly underrate our players...Let me guess. You're one of those idiots who think Edler could get us Mantha, a 1st and Tatar right? Or something along those lines? GM's aren't stupid. Our players are all worth less than what everybody on this forum believes. On top of that, you guys GROSSLY UNDERRATE guys like Theodore, Etem, Wenneberg, Bennett and 1st round draft picks. Do you think a team will want to mortgage their future for a decent 2nd liner in Kesler or the worst dman in the leauge in Edler? NO. Edler had the worst +- in the entire league and he missed a couple of games. Keep that in mind when u make up a proposal about Edler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riviera82 Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 All I can say for certain is that Garrison is not worth a 1st in any draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRAY Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 Dear Pears Thank you for putting a value on Burrows.........I agree that maybe Mtl or NYR give up that......but probably no other team.......but I ask you, IF Jensen plays witht the Sedins, where does Burrows fit......just a question! Again thank you....a concept some of my other guests do not appriciate PS would you mind putting values on the other players I suggested or do you agree with them? Burrows would fit with Kesler on the second line sir hockeynut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwsnipes Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 is hamhuis worth a 1st round pick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
01rameetludu01 Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Honestly if the canucks got these deals to work, they should take them and run lol. Kesler: 1) Ducks - Etem + Ottawa 1st 2014 + Ducks 1st 2015 2) Pittsburg - Pouliot + Bennett or 1st in 2014/15 Canucks choose Alex Edler - Anthony Mantha + 2015 2nd round pick Chris Higgins - 2nd round pick 2015 Jordan Schroeder - 5th round pick 2015 Jason Garrison - 1st round pick David Booth - 7th rounder to take the remaining year. Dan Hamhuis - high 1st round pick plus medium prospect Yannik Hansen -2nd round or 3rd round aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted May 1, 2014 Author Share Posted May 1, 2014 With all the trade and draft proposals it made me wonder what the value of our expndable players are worth. Below are the players I think are expendable, NOT whether they have NTC or not, just simply what are they worth in draft choices and prospects? #1 Alex Edler....................................1st rounder (Mid 2014 10th pick or 2 -2nds) #2 Alex Burrows...............................3rd rounder any year MAYBE A 2ND TO NYR OR MONTREAL...MAYBE #3 Chris Higgins...............................2nd rounder any year SCORED 17 GOALS THIS YEAR AND IS USED DEFENSIVELY #4 Jordan Schroeder........................3rd rounder 2014 or 4th rounder 2015 #5 Jason Garrison.............................1st rounder (Mid rounder any year) 21ST RATED OFFENSIVE DEFENSMEN PER 60 MINUTES PLAYING OVER 200 MINUTES OF PP TIME...THAT IS WORTH SOMETHING BETTER THAN A SECOND! #6 David Booth..................................3rd rounder 2014 or 4th rounder 2015 I would Kesler in there but, he is not expendable under normal circumstances and will only say that he should be considered a 1st line player if trading. Point being that IF Vancouver had a center that could be used for 2nd line duties, having Kesler play with the Sedins all year would make that a much more threatening line.......there by making him a 1st line winger......I think he deserves that much praise. Actually he would make a first line woinger on a lot of clubs, if they choose to play him there. Keslers Value is along the lines of: either Theadore/Etem/Ottawa 2014 or Poulet/Bennet/Pitts 1st-2014 (Edited 4/30/2014) POULET IS CLIMBING IN VALUE What you are trading for in Kesler is the Immediate Improvement in your club to compete for the Stanley Cup for the next 5 to 6 years, while your core is still able to compete at the top. Something that none of the other picks and prospects can do, in the same time frame. Nothing new on the Kesler front, just putting it out there that I want a top end defense prospect, a young player and a pick.........didn't see any other team even discuss that. AND TO EVERYONE.......KESLER IS NOT A PLAYMAKER.....HE IS A SHOOTER.......AND HE DOESN'T MAKE HIS WINGERS BETTER......BUT HE IS A SKILLED 1ST LINE SHOOTING WINGER OR A 3RD LINE CENTER THAT CAN SHUT YOU DOWN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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