î мцšт вяздк чфµ Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 http://jalopnik.com/guy-loans-his-car-to-his-roomie-gets-life-in-prison-1569903900?utm_campaign=socialflow_jalopnik_facebook&utm_source=jalopnik_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow Guy Loans His Car To His Roomie, Gets Life In Prison 30,353g81 Jason Torchinsky Profile Jason Torchinsky Filed to: CAR CRIME RYAN HOLLE WTF Yesterday 5:30pm EShare to Kinja jShare to Facebook iShare to Twitter rGo to permalink SEXPAND123 Generally, I'm pretty okay with lending my cars to people, though I know many gear heads who aren't. Even so, I don't think I've ever heard a better argument against lending your car than the story of Ryan Holle, who loaned his car to his roommate and found himself doing a life sentence as a result.P Of course, it's not just the act of loaning the car that got the now 31-year old Holle in trouble. Holle had lent his Chevy Metro to his roommate many, many times before, with no issues. Hell, I even bet the roommate occasionally put some gas in the car. On the morning of March 10, 2003, though, everything changed.4P Holle had been drinking and partying the night before, and when his roommate asked to use the car, the hungover Holle just said "use the car." According to a New York Times interview, HolleP ...honestly thought they were going to get food. 5P They, of course, weren't getting food. The roommate used Holle's car to drop three men off at the home of a local pot dealer, where they proceeded to steal a safe full of money and marijuana. Unfortunately, in the process of the robbery, one of the men used a shotgun to bludgeon to death the dealer's 18-year old daughter.P While all this miserable shit was going down, Holle was a mile and a half away, asleep in his bed. He had no idea what was happening. At some point when he lent his car to his roommate, the roommate did mention their plan in some context, but Holle thought he was joking. P Soon, the roommate and the other perpetrators of the robbery and murder were caught, and eventually all were sentenced to life in prison. Thanks to a law on the books in their state of Florida and all states except for Michigan, Kentucky, and Hawaii, the Felony Murder Rule, Ryan was arrested as well for his role in loaning his roommate the car.P This rule has been abolished in many countries precisely because of outcomes like this: Ryan Holle was sentenced to life in prison as well, because it was his car used for the crime. By loaning his roommate the car, he was considered to have had an active role in the crime, even though he claims not to have been aware of what his roommate's intent was and was nowhere near the actual scene of the crime itself.P Ryan turned down a plea-bargain agreement that would have given him a 10-year sentence, because he felt so confident (if a little naive) about the outcome of a court case. All he did was loan his car and go to sleep — how could he be convicted?P SEXPAND6 The prosecution was adamant that the crime would not have happened had it not been for the use of Holle's car. It's not clear how things would have been different, say, if the roommate simply took the car without asking, or flat-out stole the car. Taking the car under false or at best inconclusive pretenses hardly seems different.P Of course, prosecutors had a very different story to tell. They claimed that Holle did, in fact, know exactly what the car was going to be used for — a robbery — though, since the murder was not pre-meditated, he could not have known that it would have been used for a murder, even if he did know the car was to be used for a crime.P The prosecutor, David Rimmer, said of the caseP "No car, no consequences. No car, no murder." 789P Which is, at least, technically true. There was also testimony that some of the details of the crime were told to Holle, including that they may have to "knock out" the drug dealer's daughter. So there is some possibility that Holle knew more about the intended use of the car than he claims, though it's really hard to say exactly. P Holle was very recently denied clemency, and is still serving his sentence. As someone who has both loaned cars to roommates and had roommates with parts of their lives I knew nothing about, Holle's story sounds highly plausible to me, and the fact that this man is serving life in prison for, essentially, tossing his keys to someone and then going to sleep, seems wildly unjust.P The murder was, of course, awful. Holle's role in the murder seems pretty tenuous at best, and if you're arguing that he was part of the murder, you may as well implicate the mother, who was the drug dealer that predicated the dangerous situation, the builder of the house that was the location of the event, and the city for building the roads that led to the scene of the murder.10P It seems like a pretty raw deal. Holle has a site with petitions to seek pardon and more information about the felony murder rule. 11P So, if you're someone nice enough to lend your car, maybe be sure to make sure you really know your roommate or brother or whoever you're about to toss those keys to.P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drummer4now Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 Thats unfortunate. I'd sign the petition, but I am not American.. Merica Poor guy only has 650 sigs. Hopefully this is the truth though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riviera82 Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 Only in America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucklehead Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 wouldn't even be an issue in canada Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 It's okay to live with degenerate criminals, just don't lend them your car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weber's shot Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 'Murica, home of the brave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drummer4now Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 It's okay to live with degenerate criminals, just don't lend them your car. Did you even read the whole article? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Strangelove Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 What a ridiculous law. Since I'm American and very much against laws like this I will sign the petition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drummer4now Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 What a ridiculous law. Since I'm American and very much against laws like this I will sign the petition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 Yeah, no way his roommate wouldn't have just grabbed the keys anyway after he went to sleep, right judge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilduce39 Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 If you're two degrees of separation from someone who would bludgeon an 18 year old girl to death with a shotgun... well.. you don't deserve life in prison but you need to rethink some life choices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 Did you even read the whole article? Yup, and the intro too. The author said he didn't think he'd ever heard a better argument against lending your car than the story of Ryan Holle. An idiot who lives with another idiot who robs drug dealers and borrow cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absent Canuck Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 I seems prudent that Christ will give the guy a full pardon and cut him loose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRussianRocket. Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 'murica Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadcanucks Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 Ridiculous...final episode of Seinfeld was running through my mind as I read OP posting of the article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancaster Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 "No car, no consequences. No car, no murder." That can be twisted to prove anything. What if the roommate asked for some change to take the bus and the guy gave some. The criminal eventually took the bus and murdered someone.... would the prosecutor say, "No change, no consequences. No change, no murder"? Apply that to cellphones, laptops, food, whatever.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papayas Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 This happened in 2004, and apparently (at least from wiki), the dude knew his roommate was going to rob someone and still lend them the car.... Still a ridiculous sentence and a waste of tax money to take care of someone for life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 "No car, no consequences. No car, no murder." That can be twisted to prove anything. What if the roommate asked for some change to take the bus and the guy gave some. The criminal eventually took the bus and murdered someone.... would the prosecutor say, "No change, no consequences. No change, no murder"? Apply that to cellphones, laptops, food, whatever.... No kidding. I like the part about the road. If the city hadn't built a roadway connecting the victim and perpetrators, they wouldn't have got there with or without the car. "No road, no conduit. No road, no murder." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drummer4now Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 Sorry I have to post this.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure010 Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 Yeah, no way his roommate wouldn't have just grabbed the keys anyway after he went to sleep, right judge? that's exactly what he should have said lol, his roommate took the car without asking him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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