Fred65 Posted May 4, 2014 Share Posted May 4, 2014 As :- Strengths Good depth of two-way defensemen Blue chippers at the top Weaknesses Many enigmatic prospects in system Lack of goaltending depth While it's nice to read hopefully an unbiased opinion is this unbiased or maybe lacking insight. Remember this is about prospects. AHL, CHL, NCAA Do you think and believe they're right with this assessment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRAY Posted May 4, 2014 Share Posted May 4, 2014 Well, we do have 3 young goalies, im not sure if goaltending depth is a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ossi Vaananen Posted May 4, 2014 Share Posted May 4, 2014 You know you're good in goaltending when your 3rd string gets to play in the WC for Sweden. HF is always off, they try to do too much with very little insight. It's essentially a blog site with a very popular forum. D is arguably one of our weaker draft positions but HF somehow believes it's a strength. Up front we have 4 first rounders ready to make the jump within the next year or 2 (Jensen, Horvat, Gaunce and Shinkaruk). HF includes a number of 6th and 7th rounders to claim we have enigmatic prospects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred65 Posted May 4, 2014 Author Share Posted May 4, 2014 Frankly I remember Laurence Gilman talking ( 2012 ) about the good prospect the club has on defense, he thought it was an area of strength. IMO no matter what most think of most teams future prospect few teams have more than a couple of genuine pieces...no fail youngsters. I believe Gilaman was referring to Corrado, McNally and Hutton. There are othes but if those three come through Vcr is in a real good position. There are other but they seems to be the candidates primed for the future...even if McNally was derailed to a degree this season. Frankly after watching Horvat in the WJC I'm starting to take a tad more reserved view of the guy. There was never a flash of "now that's why we drafted him" sort of moment. He'll play in the NHL I don't doubt but he's not looking like the player we all thought he'd turn out to be...ditto Gaunce...more and more like 2nd and third line players..but time will tell. I hope they can convince McNally to turn Pro...this limited schedule he plays in is not putting him in a good position, Hutton either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted May 4, 2014 Share Posted May 4, 2014 Frankly I remember Laurence Gilman talking ( 2012 ) about the good prospect the club has on defense, he thought it was an area of strength. IMO no matter what most think of most teams future prospect few teams have more than a couple of genuine pieces...no fail youngsters. I believe Gilaman was referring to Corrado, McNally and Hutton. There are othes but if those three come through Vcr is in a real good position. There are other but they seems to be the candidates primed for the future...even if McNally was derailed to a degree this season. Frankly after watching Horvat in the WJC I'm starting to take a tad more reserved view of the guy. There was never a flash of "now that's why we drafted him" sort of moment. He'll play in the NHL I don't doubt but he's not looking like the player we all thought he'd turn out to be...ditto Gaunce...more and more like 2nd and third line players..but time will tell. I hope they can convince McNally to turn Pro...this limited schedule he plays in is not putting him in a good position, Hutton either I thought Horvat was projected as a very good 2nd C and Gaunce a solid 3C and I'm happy with that. Jensen, Shinks will likely pan out in the top 6, as will this year's pick. In time, we could also get lucky with Cole, Fox, Kenins and Grenier. So far I don't see any elite talent. On defense, we have Corrado, Andersson, Hutton, Subban, Liberati, Cederholm and Mcnally who have NHL potential and a few others that might surprise. Again, no real high end talent there. Good depth, but will need a couple of elite players within the next few years. Probably have to trade up in an upcoming draft and/or acquire potential stud prospect via trading a core player package. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motzaburger Posted May 4, 2014 Share Posted May 4, 2014 Well, we do have 3 young goalies, im not sure if goaltending depth is a problem. All of our goalies in the NHL/AHL are 24 years old and up so yeah..... we have no young goalies to develop. The ones in the AHL arent NHL ready and probably will never have a chance to be ready so..... we have no amazing up and coming goalies and we have no starter at the moment (no offence to Eddie, hopefully he will be more ready this year). My point is we have no prospects that we can say: Oh well XXXXX will be our next goalie in 5, 6, or 7 years. No one is there to take the spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gstank29 Posted May 4, 2014 Share Posted May 4, 2014 5-7 years is more than enough time to draft a goalie in a couple of years and develop him. I hope we take demo or the goalie for michigan (naglevoot for something like that) this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motzaburger Posted May 4, 2014 Share Posted May 4, 2014 5-7 years is more than enough time to draft a goalie in a couple of years and develop him. I hope we take demo or the goalie for michigan (naglevoot for something like that) this year Yeah thats what I want to see with this years second round pick. Thatcher Demko! There’s a lot less goalies to choose from than players and as long as we develop out 3rd to 7th round picks well and previous years picks we will have no problem taking a goalie in this years second round. This sets us up in the long and short run for goalies. All we need to use is one pick to get one goalie and Hockey’s Future no longer can say “Lack of depth" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niloc009 Posted May 4, 2014 Share Posted May 4, 2014 HF hasn't updated our strengths and weaknesses in YEARS. They've been like that since the first time I looked at that site. No point in looking at that when the blue chippers they're talking about are likely Kesler and Bourdon, and the enigmatic guys are Shirokov and Koltsov. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missioncanucksfan Posted May 4, 2014 Share Posted May 4, 2014 5-7 years is more than enough time to draft a goalie in a couple of years and develop him. I hope we take demo or the goalie for michigan (naglevoot for something like that) this yearGoalie from Plymouth Nedeljkovic seems to be the #2 ranked in the draft. Played stellar for the Yanks at U18 tourney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShakyWalton Posted May 4, 2014 Share Posted May 4, 2014 Well, we do have 3 young goalies, im not sure if goaltending depth is a problem. People are forgetting Canatta as well,, he improved greatly this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drummer4now Posted May 4, 2014 Share Posted May 4, 2014 People are forgetting Canatta as well,, he improved greatly this year. Your sig is creeping me out.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShakyWalton Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 Your sig is creeping me out.. but its the leader..lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Heyman Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 You know you're good in goaltending when your 3rd string gets to play in the WC for Sweden. HF is always off, they try to do too much with very little insight. It's essentially a blog site with a very popular forum. D is arguably one of our weaker draft positions but HF somehow believes it's a strength. Up front we have 4 first rounders ready to make the jump within the next year or 2 (Jensen, Horvat, Gaunce and Shinkaruk). HF includes a number of 6th and 7th rounders to claim we have enigmatic prospects. This is exactly it. Their team based rankings are absolutely terrible. Everyone who posts on their forum acknowledges it. I would say to not put too much thought into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Heyman Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 Frankly I remember Laurence Gilman talking ( 2012 ) about the good prospect the club has on defense, he thought it was an area of strength. IMO no matter what most think of most teams future prospect few teams have more than a couple of genuine pieces...no fail youngsters. I believe Gilaman was referring to Corrado, McNally and Hutton. There are othes but if those three come through Vcr is in a real good position. There are other but they seems to be the candidates primed for the future...even if McNally was derailed to a degree this season. Frankly after watching Horvat in the WJC I'm starting to take a tad more reserved view of the guy. There was never a flash of "now that's why we drafted him" sort of moment. He'll play in the NHL I don't doubt but he's not looking like the player we all thought he'd turn out to be...ditto Gaunce...more and more like 2nd and third line players..but time will tell. I hope they can convince McNally to turn Pro...this limited schedule he plays in is not putting him in a good position, Hutton either The WJC really isnt the best place to make a final call on a prospect, I mean, look at Schroeder and Rodins production. Schroeder is the American All-Time WJC Leading Scorer with 27 points to Roenick's 25. That said though, it is best to have reserved expectations, and really, if Horvat and Gaunce turn into either good 2nd or 3rd liners or tweeners. Thats excellent. I don't think Horvat has ever been hyped to become a 1st line level scorer, its his defensive game that will make the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerbera Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Yeah thats what I want to see with this years second round pick. Thatcher Demko! There’s a lot less goalies to choose from than players and as long as we develop out 3rd to 7th round picks well and previous years picks we will have no problem taking a goalie in this years second round. This sets us up in the long and short run for goalies. All we need to use is one pick to get one goalie and Hockey’s Future no longer can say “Lack of depth" I agree with what u said and I believe we really need to pick up a goalie at the draft this year. The problem is, with our prospect pool so shallow esp. at forward, can we really afford to use a 36th overall pick on a goalie that will not likely be able to jump ahead of Lack, Markstrom, and Eriksson down the stretch. I don't mind if they pick a goalie from 4th - 7th round range. I just hope they can really stock up some nice Top 6 forward prospects for the future with that 2nd rounder this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonecoldstevebernier Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 HF hasn't updated our strengths and weaknesses in YEARS. They've been like that since the first time I looked at that site. No point in looking at that when the blue chippers they're talking about are likely Kesler and Bourdon, and the enigmatic guys are Shirokov and Koltsov. Yeah, and I've got no idea what they're talking about with our supposed lack of goalie depth - Lukas Mensator and Julien Ellis are gonna be studs for years to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakrami Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Well, we do have 3 young goalies, im not sure if goaltending depth is a problem.lmao. which NHL team doesn't have 3+ young goalies in their system?The question is, are they good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Heyman Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Yeah, and I've got no idea what they're talking about with our supposed lack of goalie depth - Lukas Mensator and Julien Ellis are gonna be studs for years to come. Jonathan Iilahti always became 90 overall for me in NHL 11 too!! Anyways, Eriksson, as noted, is playing for Sweden at the WC, which is really impressive for a guy who was on one of the worst AHL teams this year, even if they got it together in the second half of the season. Joe Cannata has shown flashes of brilliance as well. Both of Utica's goalies have potential, they just need time. Joacim has been excellent as of late though. As for our NHL goalies, I think Lack really wasn't ready to be a starter this season and was thrown into a tough position with the Luongo trade, but he'll be ready very soon. Markstrom is very rough and needs work but if he can fully accept Melanson's coaching then he could become a very solid goalie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred65 Posted May 8, 2014 Author Share Posted May 8, 2014 Vcr fans get too wrapped up in their prospects and rarely see them for what they are....youngster waiting to MAYBE take the next step. Some thing like 80% of kids in the CHL do not go any further than that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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