TrevorLinden4ever Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 I was watching Don Taylor on Sportsnet doing the NY-Pitsburgh recap, (I for one prefer TSN as you dont hear Don Taylor there say stuff like, "...while wearing Joe Blow's old number.....in the such and such clad with yellow strips"), but he mentioned that NY is 0-30 something on the PP so far. This is exactly the problem that AV had in Vancouver. He couldn't get the PP going here because he never changed up the units nor used guys like Burrows on the first unit PP who otherwise had all cylinders running. One of my arguments in my defence of Torts is that Torts changed things up when they didn't work and got the Sedins to do more away from the puck. The biggest downfall of Torts was having the top guys on this team block shots and the injuries that ensued from that along with alloting Stanton and Dalpe regular time when we should've rotated those spots with our minor league depth. What were the Canucks PP stats this season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 Canucks PP? You don't wanna know. Neither of these two coaches can claim the moral high-ground in this dept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrevorLinden4ever Posted May 8, 2014 Author Share Posted May 8, 2014 Canucks PP? You don't wanna know. Neither of these two coaches can claim the moral high-ground in this dept. *insert my embarassment here* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tre Mac Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 How is this on him? Its not like he sat Rick Nash down and told him to not score and just block shots. What head coach in the NHL also runs the powerplay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdubuya Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 I think the sign of a good coach is not one who changes things up when they're not working but rather the opposite. The 2011 Canucks had a highly rated PP in the regular season that was for the most part impotent in the playoffs. A good coach and team is always changing it up. That way teams don't know what to expect. I remember Boston would just give Hank the shot and take away his passing lanes resulting in many turnovers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrevorLinden4ever Posted May 8, 2014 Author Share Posted May 8, 2014 How is this on him? Its not like he sat Rick Nash down and told him to not score and just block shots. What head coach in the NHL also runs the powerplay? Huge responsibility to formulate the special units and lines? What if Torts put Dalpe and Weise on the first line with Hank? WOuldn't he be responible for the failure of this team in not making the post season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down by the River Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 Coaches take way too much blame for the PP. This isn't football where the O-coordinator is the playcaller and has to live and die with his decision to run a particular play against a particular defence. Hockey is far more fluid, requires more improvisation and creativity. There is only so much a coach can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 I agree with how AV didn't change anything up on the PP but neither did Torts. Kassian didn't see his first sniff until Sedin got hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goalie13 Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 What were the Canucks PP stats this season? Rangers PP was 15th in the regular season this year at 18.2% The Canucks were 26th at 15.2% Last year the Canucks were 22nd and the Rangers 23rd. So the Rangers have improved since last year while the Canucks fell further back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Bang Boogie Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 It would AV and the Ranger's PP a lot if Rick Nash actually did something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 AV actually enjoyed a significant improvement on the Rangers' PP% (regular season), compared to what Torts averaged over the previous couple seasons. The 2013-14 Rangers were right in the middle of the pack while Torts' teams has been stuck in the bottom third of the league for two seasons. Also, while the Rangers PP is struggling this postseason, it's a pretty small sample to draw any conclusions from. It's worth noting (as seen on a recent TV segment) that 3 of the past 7 championship teams went through extended "0-for" stretches (like around 0-for-40) on the PP on their way to winning the Stanley Cup. That all said, I agree with the others who say that PP effectiveness has very little to do with the head coach. Torts took over on the Rangers during the 2008-09 season, when the team finished 29th in PP%. In 2009-10, they jumped to 13th. Then they slipped to 18th in 2010-11. And finally, they dropped down to back-to-back 23rd place finishes in 2011-12 and 2012-13. Interesting thing: Vinny Prospal (a player who's always had great underlying numbers on the PP) joined the Rangers for the 2009-10 season (when the Rangers' PP jumped 16 spots) and he played nearly the whole season (75 GP). In 2010-11, injuries limited Prospal to only 29 games (and the PP dropped 5 spots). By 2011-12, he had left the team (for Columbus), and the Rangers PP dropped a further 5 spots. Now that wasn't all due to Prospal, but you can link a surprising amount of the Rangers' power play effectiveness to him when you examine the situational stats and ratings for the players over that period. The most coaches can do is tweak things to squeeze a little more out of their special teams. Most of the on-ice results are based on the effectiveness of the player personnel. The coach's main job is putting the players into the on-ice roles where they are best able to succeed. It's up to the GM to provide the necessary pieces to build a strong power play. That's why you can trace the NYR's power play decline back to their loss of certain players, most notably Prospal, and much more so than Torts "losing the room" or becoming stale and ineffective. Same thing goes for AV. A similar pattern can be seen in the Canucks' loss of key power play contributers like Ehrhoff, Salo, and Samuelsson (whose underlying numbers on the PP suggest he was more important to our success than he's generally given credit). The exception to this rule is when a coach puts players in roles where they can't succeed or chooses to force them to use plays and schemes that are not based in sound strategy or a basic understanding of player strengths/weaknesses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithers joe Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 Huge responsibility to formulate the special units and lines? What if Torts put Dalpe and Weise on the first line with Hank? WOuldn't he be responible for the failure of this team in not making the post season? AV never ran the pp or chose who played on it....don't heap blame on the coach....torts didn't run the pp either.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gross-Misconduct Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 AV having PP problems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJDDawg Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 The Rangers are in the playoffs and have now played 6 games in 9 nights. That's just a brutal schedule for playoff intensity hockey and to me they've looked just gassed the last couple of games. I give them the benefit of the doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCanuck Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 Looks like neither coach could improve their new team. It all comes down to playoff success and that makes the coach swap a dead even trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheXFactor Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 Rangers PP was 15th in the regular season this year at 18.2% The Canucks were 26th at 15.2% Last year the Canucks were 22nd and the Rangers 23rd. So the Rangers have improved since last year while the Canucks fell further back. I was having a nice day until I read this post. Regardless both team's PP are nothing to write home about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absent Canuck Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 AV never ran the pp or chose who played on it....don't heap blame on the coach....torts didn't run the pp either.... This is the fact. Sedins run the PP along with Kesler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 Salo. He had a sweet shot. RH. But he was hurt all the time. If Tanev improves his shot that would be sweet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themcdeal Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 The Rangers are in the playoffs and have now played 6 games in 9 nights. That's just a brutal schedule for playoff intensity hockey and to me they've looked just gassed the last couple of games. I give them the benefit of the doubt. this that is an incredibly difficult schedule especially considering its play off hockey also Rick Nash is the most over rated plug in the nhl just wanted to put that out there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themcdeal Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 The Rangers are in the playoffs and have now played 6 games in 9 nights. That's just a brutal schedule for playoff intensity hockey and to me they've looked just gassed the last couple of games. I give them the benefit of the doubt. this that is an incredibly difficult schedule especially considering its play off hockey also Rick Nash is the most over rated plug in the nhl just wanted to put that out there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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