PhillipBlunt Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 Once his hiring is made official, I'm hoping Jim Benning cans the entire scouting staff starting with Ron Delorme. This was something Gillis claimed he would take a good hard look at and, I guess based on history, never got past the looking stage. Since 2000, the Canucks have maintained an abysmal scouting record and the bleeding has got to stop at some point. Who's with me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanTSN Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 Probably won't happen. Besides, our drafting has improved a bit lately. Still not great, but improved.Oh, but if they screw up this year too, then i'm all for it. The Trevor Linden era needs to start positively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrcaGuy76 Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 I don't think canning the entire staff at one time would be the best way to handle it. Linden and Benning will still need guys around to keep everything humming... BUT, down the road I wouldn't mind seeing a major change.. I just think that during the GM/Coaching change it probably wouldn't be a good idea to gut it all... Gotta keep key parts in place during a big transition... Evaluate and then decide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piggy Bank Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 Drafting isn't hard. Logically you could use BMAC'S mock draft. It's taken from the perspectives of 10 scouts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riviera82 Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 These scouts have been around forever, our drafting has for the most part sucked forever. It's a pretty simple equation, cut them loose now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaSwede Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 Drafting isn't hard. Logically you could use BMAC'S mock draft. It's taken from the perspectives of 10 scouts Yes it is, it is extremely hard. How would sacking the entire scouting staff before the draft be a smart move? Yes, introducing new scouts would freshen up the scouting staff but they are not idiots. Some new faces wouldn't do it any harm and would probably cause more discussions which is a positive thing. Don't can all of them, get a couple new guys in, ask some to leave. Not everyone. Gradin is doing a good job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted May 20, 2014 Author Share Posted May 20, 2014 Fire Delorme then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 While I agree the scouting staff needs to be looked at. We have to consider the gems that have been found in the past few drafts in the later rounds. And then look at last season. We also have to take in to account the fact we rarely if ever have all of our picks. The scouts should be given some leeway for this season under Benning if he is hired, because to replace them pre draft would be detrimental to the future of the team. But by no means should they NOT be given any kind of serious freedom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted May 20, 2014 Author Share Posted May 20, 2014 I guess it should be a gradual weeding out of unsuccessful scouts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tearloch7 Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 I don't think canning the entire staff at one time would be the best way to handle it. Linden and Benning will still need guys around to keep everything humming... BUT, down the road I wouldn't mind seeing a major change.. I just think that during the GM/Coaching change it probably wouldn't be a good idea to gut it all... Gotta keep key parts in place during a big transition... Evaluate and then decide. Well said .. no point in throwing the 'baby out with the bath' .. I am sure a total assessment of all assets and systems will be examined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Standing_Tall#37 Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 Probably won't happen. Besides, our drafting has improved a bit lately. Still not great, but improved.Oh, but if they screw up this year too, then i'm all for it. The Trevor Linden era needs to start positively.how many Canucks draft picks from the last 10 drafts are currently on the Canucks? It is brutal. The TL Era hopefully smartened things up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogbyte Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 Yes it is, it is extremely hard. How would sacking the entire scouting staff before the draft be a smart move? Yes, introducing new scouts would freshen up the scouting staff but they are not idiots. Some new faces wouldn't do it any harm and would probably cause more discussions which is a positive thing. Don't can all of them, get a couple new guys in, ask some to leave. Not everyone. Gradin is doing a good job. No it's not, just look at the draft discussion threads. We have at least 1000 super qualified scouts .... yeah right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 I would like to see a new head amateur scout. The scouting staff needs an overhaul I think. Doing so right before the draft might not be the wisest move but I am hopeful that if Benning is the guy that he will be taking an active role in the draft rather than relying on Delorme too much. We need a fresh perspective imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herberts Vasiljevs Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 I will lose my sh** if anyone blames on Gradin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 Don't throw the baby out with the bath water. Gillis already has made significant changes that have been reaping rewards the last ~2 years. Our scouting HAS already improved. If anything we build off off that and improve it from there. Not "can the entire staff". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 They aren't going to fire the whole staff. Delorme's already been removed as head of scouting for the last couple of drafts (when we've been doing better) and we aren't going to remove Gradin or Crawford's brother for instance. Benning will certainly have some recommendations there and retool the scouting staff, but he won't wipe everyone out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 For the 1st yr(new MGT team), they could entrust CDC(our 'polls') with making draft- selections. We need some accountability/responsibility..an interactive-fanbase, if you will... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonMexico Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 how many Canucks draft picks from the last 10 drafts are currently on the Canucks? It is brutal. The TL Era hopefully smartened things up. TL is not a wizard and does not possess magical powers as some people seem to suggest. You are going to be disappointed if you hope the on ice product and scouting department get a torn a new one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razors_Edge Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Who's with me? Nobody that actually checks the records!!! Lets have a look, instead of just making up nonsense!!! Drafting is often based on whether the team feels it needs a Center, L or R Winger or Dman. Lets look back at 10 years of our 1st round draft 2003 Ryan Kesler 23: Best Available 2004 Cory Schneider 26: Best Available 2005 Luc Bourdon 10: Best Available 2006 Michael Grabner 14: Good Pick - Claude Giroux went 22 2007 Patrick White 25: Poor Pick - P.K. Subban went 43 2008 Cody Hodgson 10: Good Pick - Erik Karlsson D went 15, Jordan Eberle went 22 2009 Jordan Schroeder 22: Ok Pick - Ryan O'Reilly went 33 2010 No picks till 4th round 2011 Nicklas Jensen 29 Good Pick - Brandon Saad went 43 2012 Brendan Gaunce 26 Best Available 2013 Bo Horvat 9 Great Pick - could argue for Valeri Nichushkin 10, only time will tell 2013 Hunter Shinkaruk 24 Best Available Most of our picks have been 20+, Our scouts have done an amazing job getting us the best picks, pretty much every year. Its easy to look backwards and say for example P.K. Subban was available in 2007 and went 43rd. But all that means is he was passed over by everyone at least once and twice by several teams, I am sure every team wish they drafted him now. Our scouts have been able to give us a good pick, or the best available on a consistent basis. Its a tough job trying to predict how a draftee will develop. By their record we probably have the best scouts in the league. I would like to see what other teams have done with picks below 10 never mind all the picks we had below 20. Go Scouts Don't be a crybaby and call yourself a fan. Nuff said Go Canucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure010 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 lol looking at this shows you how terrible our scouting/drafting really ishttp://canucksarmy.com/2014/5/20/we-think-the-vancouver-canucks-may-have-a-scouting-problem?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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