Nuxfanabroad Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 I think the 2 franchises have disparate situations, which makes them ideal partners. I'm assuming NYI keeps their 1st, thus they BADLY need to improve next season, to ensure they don't gift McDavid to a state-rival. Seems we're kind of the opposite, where a lot of our fanbase seem fairly open to 2 consecutive yrs of high picks('14 &'15). They need stuff NOW; we can accept back-burner deals of patience. Our team may be trending downwards, but we've some great players on good cap-hits. Very open to suggestions here. I've heard their prospects/ELC's named quite often, 'round here, but I haven't seen them play that much. I'm shooting in the dark, somewhat... So I'll throw out a suggestion: #1 prop...Edler, Burrows(retain 1.5 mill) , Higgins, Gaunce.(If Garr/Ed wouldn't waive, I'd accept dealing Tanev). NYI send: Griffin Reinhart, Strome, 2016 2nd. -In this scenario, we should retain Booth(for bodies), Hansen & Santo. better to deal away extra bodies(say 4 for 2) with a exp-draft, anyways(possibly summer 2015?) -If necc, I'd prob add a 2015 2nd(from us) & only take their 2016 3rd. -Basically, I'd really like to add these two young studs. If DeHaan/Hamonic are comparable(are they?), might accept 1 of them(instead of Rhino), but then adjust/withhold some of our package. This kind of deal could very well help NYI's ensure their 2015 1st is middle of the pack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 While I agree that we could/should deal with the Isles I don't know if this is the deal to be made. To many moving parts almost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 That is way too much to give up from our side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted May 21, 2014 Author Share Posted May 21, 2014 That is way too much to give up from our side. You think so? Say the Kes deal(DSPelley & both 1st rounders, for simplicity) also occurs... Daniel-Hank-Kass Booth-Strome-DSP Matthias-Santo/Horvat-Hansen Sestito-Rich-Arch ...xtras-Jensen Maybe sign a fwd UFA, especially a 4th line, gritty vet. I'd say this is younger, bigger, eager & cheaper. Would work for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuktravella Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 3vets one prospect for 2 prospects and a second no thanks this turns us into oilers How about Edler and hansen and a 2nd for reinhart and their first Buyout booth Sign gaborik 4 yr 6.5 per Sign ron hainsey 3yrs 3mil per Draft dal colle and virtanen Sedin sedin gaborik Kassian kesler shinkaruk Higgins horvat burrows Kenins mattias richardson Sestito Hamhuis tanev Garrison corrado Hainsey bieska Reinhart Lack Markstrom Minors fox virtanen jensen gaunce hutton subban cederholm cassels dal colle solid team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiznac Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 3vets one prospect for 2 prospects and a second no thanks this turns us into oilers How about Edler and hansen and a 2nd for reinhart and their first Buyout booth Sign gaborik 4 yr 6.5 per Sign ron hainsey 3yrs 3mil per Draft dal colle and virtanen Sedin sedin gaborik Kassian kesler shinkaruk Higgins horvat burrows Kenins mattias richardson Sestito Hamhuis tanev Garrison corrado Hainsey bieska Reinhart Lack Markstrom Minors fox virtanen jensen gaunce hutton subban cederholm cassels dal colle solid team I agree with you on this one it works better for us. Also there's no way the islanders move reinhart and strome out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 I agree with you on this one it works better for us. Also there's no way the islanders move reinhart and strome out I got Reinhart and Strome for Edler and Schroeder plus a 1st (30th overall) in NHL 14 why not in real life? Herp derp? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiffyPB Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Kesler and 2nd for Strome, Pulock, and conditional 2015 2nd round pick (NYI keeps pick if they fail to make playoffs and Canucks receive 3rd instead). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted May 21, 2014 Author Share Posted May 21, 2014 I agree with you on this one it works better for us. Also there's no way the islanders move reinhart and strome out Sure, something like your deal would be fine. Basically we help them in the present, for some of their significant future pieces. Could make sense for both sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted May 21, 2014 Author Share Posted May 21, 2014 Kesler and 2nd for Strome, Pulock, and conditional 2015 2nd round pick (NYI keeps pick if they fail to make playoffs and Canucks receive 3rd instead). Yeah, was also thinking about this Pulock..be nice to land more talent from the 2013 class. If we added a D & Swedish 'tender to Kes, you'd think we could ask for a pretty sizeable package from them. These players could certainly form the basis for a nice deal, anyways... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucks155 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 I doubt NYI trade 2 player who are top 5 picks for a top 4 dman (whoever it may be), 2 3rd liners and a career 3rd liner prospect. I'm would go as far to say that you'd be hard pressed to get even 1 of them for this package. Those 2 guys are their Horvats. I doubt they do it for crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted May 22, 2014 Author Share Posted May 22, 2014 I doubt NYI trade 2 player who are top 5 picks for a top 4 dman (whoever it may be), 2 3rd liners and a career 3rd liner prospect. I'm would go as far to say that you'd be hard pressed to get even 1 of them for this package. Those 2 guys are their Horvats. I doubt they do it for crap. Well, they're possibly going to squander an Eichel/McDavid type for a cup of coffee w/Vanek..so don't give them too much credit. The premise here is we help them move up the standings quickly-but for a price. As I clearly stated, would be open to considering other D-prospects that they might prefer to move. Their poor move this season has left them in a weakened position. Some team will probably exploit this..we've got pieces that make it possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toews Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 Well, they're possibly going to squander an Eichel/McDavid type for a cup of coffee w/Vanek..so don't give them too much credit. The premise here is we help them move up the standings quickly-but for a price. As I clearly stated, would be open to considering other D-prospects that they might prefer to move. Their poor move this season has left them in a weakened position. Some team will probably exploit this..we've got pieces that make it possible. So the reasoning for why the Islanders should start giving up players they tanked years for is so that they don't tank next year? I do agree that the Islanders will look to strengthen their roster so that the pick doesn't end up top 5. That doesn't mean they will trade a guy who who put up absolutely unreal numbers in AHL in Strome. They will also not trade a guy they think can be their future #1 in Reinhart, when was the last time the Islanders had a legit #1 defenseman? The Isles are already looking to sign a goalie, they will probably sign Halak who is open to signing there. A stable goalie in net will improve them significantly. Point is that the Isles maybe mismanaged but Snow is not as big a fool as he is being made out to be. Would you trade Horvat + #6 for Spezza + Greening + Neil + 2nd? My reasoning for this deal is that Linden says he wants to get into the playoffs next season. The Sedins are getting older and Vancouver is desperate because their cup window is closing. Does that sound reasonable to you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted May 23, 2014 Author Share Posted May 23, 2014 So the reasoning for why the Islanders should start giving up players they tanked years for is so that they don't tank next year? I do agree that the Islanders will look to strengthen their roster so that the pick doesn't end up top 5. That doesn't mean they will trade a guy who who put up absolutely unreal numbers in AHL in Strome. They will also not trade a guy they think can be their future #1 in Reinhart, when was the last time the Islanders had a legit #1 defenseman? The Isles are already looking to sign a goalie, they will probably sign Halak who is open to signing there. A stable goalie in net will improve them significantly. Point is that the Isles maybe mismanaged but Snow is not as big a fool as he is being made out to be. Would you trade Horvat + #6 for Spezza + Greening + Neil + 2nd? My reasoning for this deal is that Linden says he wants to get into the playoffs next season. The Sedins are getting older and Vancouver is desperate because their cup window is closing. Does that sound reasonable to you? There's no point in your hypothetical-swap of apples & oranges. The basis of my proposal was that the teams are in opposite scenarios. IF you think it's an underpayment, that's fine..we'll see what happens in time. Another poster suggested I was offering too much. I'm skeptical on that view-but anyways, it's just an idea to perhaps encourage analysis/conversation on potential moves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toews Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 There's no point in your hypothetical-swap of apples & oranges. The basis of my proposal was that the teams are in opposite scenarios. IF you think it's an underpayment, that's fine..we'll see what happens in time. Another poster suggested I was offering too much. I'm skeptical on that view-but anyways, it's just an idea to perhaps encourage analysis/conversation on potential moves. The point of the trade that I suggested was that, one decent piece and a whole bunch of smaller pieces doesn't get you 2 top prospects. I don't need to see what happens, the trade you are suggesting goes against the way the Isles do business. The Isles are a team that is built upon ELCs and 2nd RFA contracts. As soon as a player starts to approach free agency and demands a raise, the Isles tend to move that player or let him walk. Its what happened to MacDonald, Parenteau and Moulson. You are asking for the Isles cost controlled cheap assets for Edler (would instantly have the 2nd highest cap hit on the team), Burrows (3m), Higgins (2.5mil). Nearly 11m in cap going to the Isles while the Canucks take back two ELCs. Wang is the cheapest owner in the league, the only way he takes on 10m in cap is if his team has a chance to contend which the Isles obviously do not. In Snow's entire tenure as GM he has yet to deal a top prospect (sans Nino who wanted out). What makes you think that changes? Just because the Isles want to avoid giving the Sabres a high pick? I would love to see how they sell their fans on this trade. "Hey guys thanks for supporting the team while they sucked. Now that the prospects that we tanked for are finally breaking into the league we are going to trade them for aging expensive players who underperformed last season". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted May 24, 2014 Author Share Posted May 24, 2014 ^You make some good points, & there's certainly a possibility they stay on the course that they've mostly maintained. Particularly as stories were leaked, late season, that indicated Wang-ster was looking to exit. However I see a few factors that may bring about change. -With the new CBA, have-nots are apparently being subsidized more generously. It seems the bottom dwellers are suddenly getting out the cheque-book. There's more balance sheet-certainty for owners. It appears profitable to invest in established players. Either your ticket rev will increase; or the league will 'trickle down' Cdn revenue to you(our addiction subsidizes their ineptitude), should your team stay down(as a loser). -So every summer the UFA ticket price will keep rising, despite the obvious Clarkeson-type gaffes. So it will probably be just as/or more costly for NYI to fill holes through UFA's. -Snow's gotta' tough-sell here, but he already messed the bed a few times..he must be getting desperate. He has to convince an(disinterested?) owner of the necessity to increase spending 10-20% quickly, to start climbing the ladder this year. He can honestly say a couple of the best talents(in maybe a decade?) will be draft-eligible, & they'll look like utter fools if they give a talent like that away. Another variation(on my proposal) is we could throw in our 2015 1st(provided it's not a top-7, or so). Perhaps we hold back Gaunce. I believe you could pry Strome(because of Tavares) & a stud young D(cos' they're stocked there too). Lastly I think they'd want to make such a deal with a western team.Teams like ourselves, or maybe StL are probably best stocked with moveable assets, on reasonable cap-hits. Just my opinion/prediction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hd71 Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 I was thinking a Van - NYI deal today myself. My train of thought was this: Isles have 2 d on their roster aged 37 and 1 aged 33. The other guys are early 20's. They, the Isles, may let go a couple older guys, so they would still need a vet on the back end. Also they had 1 left wing in their top 14 in scoring last season and could use a vet up front too, IMO. Their Cap hit is really low so they have alot of room. what do you guys think of edler and higgins to the Isles for Reinhart? ( 2 no/ limited trade clauses and 7.5 million in cap space, free a roster spot in top 9 for Horvat who has played some Left wing in OHL and is less of a stress position than center in his big league jump ) Also Higgins is from Long Island so he would want to go there. I mentioned the Canucks benefits, for the Isles, they get offensive d-man, veteran leadership, a wing that would be instantly be a top 10 scorer on their roster. They get instant help now and we can bring Reinhart in slowly or have him as a 5-6 Dman and ease him in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted May 26, 2014 Author Share Posted May 26, 2014 I was thinking a Van - NYI deal today myself. My train of thought was this: Isles have 2 d on their roster aged 37 and 1 aged 33. The other guys are early 20's. They, the Isles, may let go a couple older guys, so they would still need a vet on the back end. Also they had 1 left wing in their top 14 in scoring last season and could use a vet up front too, IMO. Their Cap hit is really low so they have alot of room. what do you guys think of edler and higgins to the Isles for Reinhart? ( 2 no/ limited trade clauses and 7.5 million in cap space, free a roster spot in top 9 for Horvat who has played some Left wing in OHL and is less of a stress position than center in his big league jump ) Also Higgins is from Long Island so he would want to go there. I mentioned the Canucks benefits, for the Isles, they get offensive d-man, veteran leadership, a wing that would be instantly be a top 10 scorer on their roster. They get instant help now and we can bring Reinhart in slowly or have him as a 5-6 Dman and ease him in Yeah, probably some will say you've gotta give more to get Rhino jr..who knows? The incentive is strong for NYI to also add fwd-depth, in vets/experience; which would provide a nice opportunity for us to get a younger team. So adding Burrows/Booth types(+ a prospect/pick) could land us another good prospect from them. We deal away extra vets, & gamble on FA-finds(like Santo, last yr). If it backfires, we'd still be younger with a guaranteed higher pick in 2015, as well as youth from this NYI deal(& probably a Kesler deal). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleShield Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 To NYI: Kesler, Markstrom, Subban, 2014 36th overall To VAN: Strome, Pulock, 2014 5th overall ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 To NYI: Kesler, Markstrom, Subban, 2014 36th overall To VAN: Strome, Pulock, 2014 5th overall ? New and interesting idea, I like it. Although I don't think the NYI needs Markstrom now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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