elvis15 Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 I know I like to critique others' proposals so I felt I was overdue to put one of my own out there. I put this together at first thinking of how to get 1st round picks since Florida and the Islanders are rumoured to be shopping their picks, but then changed tack and focused more on what might happen around a Kesler trade. Kesler to Pittsburgh To Pit: Kesler Dalpe To Van: Pouliot Bennet 1st Pretty easy description on this one, we move out some roster players and get some young players who could step in. Burrows to Montreal To Mtl: Burrows McNally Mallet To Van: Briere Artturi Lehkonen 2015 2nd Burrows is great and I think he'd see a return to some of his former form next year so it's tough to move him, but if Kesler goes I could see Burrows being ok with a move. Briere brings us another quality option and we move prospects that have some talent but aren't high in our system right now for a pick and a small, but very skilled winger in Lehkonen who could have time to develop and put on some weight in the Finnish league. Bieksa to Toronto To Tor: Bieksa Stanton To Van: Gardiner 2015 1st 2015 3rd Bieksa's the 3rd of the three musketeers, and even though he's said he'll go down with the ship, if Kesler goes he might also be willing to move. Gardiner gives us a pending RFA in return, and we get a 2nd as well. We give a little value back with Jeremy Blain for the Marlies. Buyout Booth Sign Iginla (1yr, $2/3M in salary, $3/2M in bonuses, $5-6M cap) Re-sign Tanev, Kassian, Santorelli, Weber, Schroeder, Archibald, other AHL re-signings Sedin Sedin Jensen Bennett Horvat Iginla Higgins Briere Kassian Matthias Richardson Hansen Santorelli Sestito Hamhuis Tanev Edler Corrado Gardiner Garrison Weber Lack Markstrom There are still some options there around players like Shinkaruk, Gaunce, Kenins, Fox, etc. being available to draw in, and we could make further moves (moving Hansen or Sestito, not re-signing Santo) to make room for them if they impress. Otherwise, they can push in camp and be call ups from the AHL if they adjust well down there. If Schroeder takes a reasonable deal we can start him in the AHL hoping he clears waivers and give him an opportunity to jump up as well. If he doesn't clear waivers, then so be it as I don't think he's much of an asset in a trade unless we find a way to include him as I did for Dalpe. Jensen and Horvat would have to make the team, and Pouliot and Bennett would be coming back from surgery so perhaps more likely to start in the AHL (Pouliot especially as he might not be back til Oct/Nov). We have extras who can fill in if young players don't step up. Of course this relies on the assumption of Kesler/Bieksa/Burrows waiving as well, but it gives us some solid vets to mix with our young players coming in for the next couple seasons and keeping us competitive with this quick turnaround Benning talked about today. EDIT: forgot Gardiner. That kinda screws my defensive pairings, but I'll think on that. Maybe we could put Weber with Edler and have Gardiner play as the 7th D until he earns a spot. Adjusted the TO deal as well since they don't have their 2015 2nd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aladeen Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 I feel we could squeeze a bit more value from Kesler, I would prefer not to give up on McNally at this point and to see what he does this season at Harvard. Why trade Bieksa if Gardiner isn't even going to slot into the lineup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiggs50 Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 Garbage... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted May 23, 2014 Author Share Posted May 23, 2014 Garbage... I feel we could squeeze a bit more value from Kesler, I would prefer not to give up on McNally at this point and to see what he does this season at Harvard. Why trade Bieksa if Gardiner isn't even going to slot into the lineup? Dammit, knew I'd forget someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toews Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 Toronto's 2nd is with Columbus because of the Bernier/Gaborik trades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted May 23, 2014 Author Share Posted May 23, 2014 Fair enough, I can adjust around that. Changed Blain to Stanton and upped their 2nd to a 1st and a 3rd in 2015. that also helps sort of with my D pairings. I might rethink that since I think it puts the trade more in Toronto's favour even if they give up their 2015 1st. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 I don't think Montreal trades Briere but it's pretty decent value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiggs50 Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 Oh wow didn't know Sir Elvis proposed this haha. Aside from the Kesler trade the rest kinda stink man. Briere is almost done. Aside from moving Burr's salary that deal doesn't do much. I really can't see Burrows and Bieksa not being Canucks. Their in it for the long haul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigpush Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 Kesler isn't worth moving for that package imo. Bennett and Pouliot are far from sure things and a late 1st is even more of a gamble. I also think you are selling pretty low on Burrows and I really doubt Briere waives for vancouver. I said Bieksa, Stanton deal was fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William_Clarkson Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 Kesler isn't worth moving for that package imo. Bennett and Pouliot are far from sure things and a late 1st is even more of a gamble. I also think you are selling pretty low on Burrows and I really doubt Briere waives for vancouver. I said Bieksa, Stanton deal was fair. Bennett's already made the NHL and Pouliot is considered a high level D prospect. How much do you honestly think Kesler is worth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucks155 Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 All of these deals are horrible for the other team. 1. You have to get rid of the 1st and change it to a 2nd. 2. Briere is dynamite on their 4th line. Lehkonnen can turn out to be something and that 2nd is worth more than those 2 other guys. 3. Gardiner is 23, Bieksa is 32. Gardiner can become as good, or better than Bieksa in a couple of years. Actually, by going purely by stats, Gardiner was way better. More goals, points, high +-, more GP and only 1 less minute played than him/game so u cant see he had sheltered minutes. Then u throw a 1st on top. I'm sorry, but what planet would this work on? This is just horrendous... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 Unsure about this rule(curious, as well), but have heard on these boards, that you can't trade a waiver-claim, until a calendar yr has passed. So I s'pose Stanton wouldn't be moveable until Oct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 Tor needs centres..wonder if they could use Schreds(good with JVR in wld jr's)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sims Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 no ..Bennett with another wrist surgery out 4 months, Pouliot with shoulder surgery out 4 - 6 months. As I've mentioned Anaheim is the best trading partner for Kesler and Detriot is for Edler. no to Gardiner way overrated, he is worse defensively than Edler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Stanley Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 no ..Bennett with another wrist surgery out 4 months, Pouliot with shoulder surgery out 4 - 6 months. As I've mentioned Anaheim is the best trading partner for Kesler and Detriot is for Edler. no to Gardiner way overrated, he is worse defensively than Edler. no to all trades from the OP those are all awful you are underating alex burrows - the guy not only has been a first line player, but he is a top PK guy and can play top PP unit, love the canucks, etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweathog Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 The first two deals are pretty good. However, I don't like the Bieksa-Stanton deal as it leaves us with no toughness in the backend, no one to clear the crease. Unless we get a bruiser in another deal, that defense kinda scares me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted May 27, 2014 Author Share Posted May 27, 2014 Oh wow didn't know Sir Elvis proposed this haha. Aside from the Kesler trade the rest kinda stink man. Briere is almost done. Aside from moving Burr's salary that deal doesn't do much. I really can't see Burrows and Bieksa not being Canucks. Their in it for the long haul. It is shorter term and getting back a generally more offensive player, where if Burrows has another year like this last one he's only really effective in the bottom 6. Briere can move up and down and still contribute, even if he isn't going to get massive top 6 minutes like he used to. And as I said, it does depend on if they'd consider a move with the possibility of Kesler going. Otherwise I don't see them waiving their NTCs (although maybe Burrows would to go back to Montreal). Unsure about this rule(curious, as well), but have heard on these boards, that you can't trade a waiver-claim, until a calendar yr has passed. So I s'pose Stanton wouldn't be moveable until Oct? You heard it from me. It's not a calendar year, but rather associated with a season so he'd be tradeable by July 1st. If we were to try and trade him before then, he'd have to pass through waivers first with the original team getting a shot to reacquire him. no to all trades from the OP those are all awful you are underating alex burrows - the guy not only has been a first line player, but he is a top PK guy and can play top PP unit, love the canucks, etc Burrows has rarely ever played the PP, let alone the top unit. He may have mroe this year, but hardly did so under Vigneault. I even think Montreal loses that deal a little with the 2nd round next year added, but it'd really depend on where their 2nd ends up. Lehkonen really is quite small and has a lot of uncertainty if his skill will be enough assuming he can't add any size to compete in the NHL, so he really equates to McNally's skill and questions around his year off and defensive ability for if McNally can make it to the NHL as well. The first two deals are pretty good. However, I don't like the Bieksa-Stanton deal as it leaves us with no toughness in the backend, no one to clear the crease. Unless we get a bruiser in another deal, that defense kinda scares me. I agree we could use some more toughness there, but this is a bit of a transition roster and we'd be able to add later in the year potentially or as our prospects like Cederholm grow into the role in the coming years (and as the older D move on). It's much easier to get a big, tough guy than it is to acquire young, skilled players. All fair points, and as I mentioned it was time I put myself out there for some criticism on proposals. Feedback is good, and this is just a different look at how to do the retool/rebuild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Ball Canucks Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 Would like to see us add E.Kane, Matt Moulson, Shawn Thorton and Steve Ott. E.Kane-Kesler-Kassian Moulson-Henrik-Jensen Horvat-Ott-Matthias Richardson-Santorelli-Thorton Lain,Sestito Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 While the value doesn't seem outrageously out of whack on the Montreal deal I don't see them doing it. Burrows is a glorified third liner who has prospered from playing with the twins. I don't see what he brings to their lineup that they don't already have.Montreal is losing the best prospect in the deal plus a second round pick in a very deep draft. While neither McNally or Mallet are throwaway prospects Montreal already has much better ahead of them in thier depth charts.Finally Briere has a NTC and made it very clear when he was a free agent that he wanted to stay in he East for family issues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted May 27, 2014 Author Share Posted May 27, 2014 Would like to see us add E.Kane, Matt Moulson, Shawn Thorton and Steve Ott. E.Kane-Kesler-Kassian Moulson-Henrik-Jensen Horvat-Ott-Matthias Richardson-Santorelli-Thorton Lain,Sestito So nobody I proposed then. ... Finally Briere has a NTC and made it very clear when he was a free agent that he wanted to stay in he East for family issues I had a feeling that was the case but couldn't remember if I actually heard it or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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