Schroeder vs Desharnais

[Hectic]

I've been waiting a while to post this but was waiting for the GM situation to be resolved and the Canadiens to move closer to a SCF birth (thought I am rooting for the Rangers). My reasoning for this post is to note the similarities between Jordan Schroeder and David Desharnais, and how one can be completely successful as a first line center while the other is continued to be labelled as a bust and is often not included in future plans with our franchise.

Desharnais last 3 years in AHL Points per Game:
0.75, 1.3, 1.29

First 2 seasons in the NHL (entered NHL at age 23) Points per Game: 0.31, and in the following season had a PPG of 0.74.

Schroeder last 3 years in AHL Points per Game:

0.46, 0.58, 0.79

First 2 seasons in the NHL (entered NHL at age 22) Point per Game: 0.27, following season..?

Now I understand that Schroeder is 4 years younger than Desharnais, that he has gone through injury trouble (which could explain the limited scoring currently but age also plays a role), that Schroeder plays in the Western conference, and that Schroeder played on a less skilled Chicago Wolves team (and less skilled linemates in the NHL as well). However, Desharnais was the first line center on a team that beat the Boston Bruins in 7 games, something that we unfortunately weren't able to do. My main question to you is this: Do you see Schroeder becoming a Desharnais-like type of center? On my ideal team I wouldn't want Desharnais or Schroeder to be the first line center, but as a second/third line options and a power play guy do you think he could be successful in this league?

I understand that people may feel that success for Desharnais may be attributed to the Eastern conference. But as I mentioned earlier, Desharnais was successful in a top center role vs the Bruins, so the size discrepancy between the East and West doesn't tell the whole story.

Thoughts?

[Merci]

Wrong section, but more importantly.

Schroeder is gone.

[Hectic]

This is in the wrong forum and I have no idea how to move it.. here's to hoping that it gets moved to Canucks Talk sooner than later - I was browsing these forums earlier and didn't realize that I was posting in this one.

[Gstank29]

I think that if Schroeder had more "offensively mind line mates like Jensen and played more offensive

minutes he could very well become a player that Desharnais.

[Rypien37]

Wrong section, but more importantly.

Schroeder is gone.

Technically not yet. He is an RFA.

[Shinkaruk_9]

This myth about needing to be bigger in the West is not true. To answer your question OP, I think next year he will have a 30 point season. Starting to show signs of breaking out.

[Hectic]

Wrong section, but more importantly.

Schroeder is gone.

I agree with your simple answer that he is gone - I don't see where he fits into our future plans with Henrik, Kesler, Horvat, Richardson, Matthias, Santorelli (potentially), and Gaunce. But in essence he seems like he could develop into a decent center so that's where I'm a bit unsettled.

[Vansicle]

This myth about needing to be bigger in the West is not true. To answer your question OP, I think next year he will have a 30 point season. Starting to show signs of breaking out.

KINGS say "Hello! We are going to the finals again!"

Why is it that so many men believe the myth that size doesn't matter? It matters. They just don't tell you to your face.

[TheRussianRocket.]

Pretty close comparison, nice post.

As for Schroeder he does have that offensive ability. He's showed flashes of it many times but injuries and little icetime have stopped him from showing his true colours. I really believe he can be a offensive 3rd liner and the skill to take over 2nd line incase of injuries.

[Shinkaruk_9]

KINGS say "Hello! We are going to the finals again!"

Why is it that so many men believe the myth that size doesn't matter? It matters. They just don't tell you to your face.

Someone posted an article about the top 20 scorers in the west, 13 were under 200 pounds and something like 6'1, not too sure though. Versteeg? S Koivu? Duchene? Cammalleri? Boyle? M Richards? Kane? The best player in the world, Crosby? MSL? Pavelski? Parise? All are under 6 feet...I added MSL and Crosby to show that the best players are under 6 feet.

[Phil_314]

Yeah, as others have mentioned the talent should be there, but he's been injured and inconsistent when healthy, plus Torts strangely put him on the 4th line for stretches. I also see his future on the wing if he stays with the team, and he should have some future at least as a 3rd line winger when you can do that with Dale "Dutch Gretzky" flying down your wing.

Top cheese on Halak

​Of course, Desharnais has been playing with bigger guys and guys with grit and skill (Patches, Gallagher) which would in turn enable him to use his skills to set up his scoring wingers, as they've opened space for him. If Schroeder sticks with Kass and Booth for instance I think all three guys could form a solid line.

["Bull" Horvat]

Someone posted an article about the top 20 scorers in the west, 13 were under 200 pounds and something like 6'1, not too sure though. Versteeg? S Koivu? Duchene? Cammalleri? Boyle? M Richards? Kane? The best player in the world, Crosby? MSL? Pavelski? Parise? All are under 6 feet...I added MSL and Crosby to show that the best players are under 6 feet.

Unfortunately, your best players don't play in the big rugged Pacific Division. Do you see any similarities between Schroeder & Richards/Pavelski? I'd love to keep him for one more year since last year was a tragedy season with the maniac coach.

[RonMexico]

Pretty close comparison, nice post.

As for Schroeder he does have that offensive ability. He's showed flashes of it many times but injuries and little icetime have stopped him from showing his true colours. I really believe he can be a offensive 3rd liner and the skill to take over 2nd line incase of injuries.

Benning wants the 3rd and 4th lines to be bigger. No room for wee folk like Schroeder. His days are all but numbered.

[5nothincanucksohno]

I agree with your simple answer that he is gone - I don't see where he fits into our future plans with Henrik, Kesler, Horvat, Richardson, Matthias, Santorelli (potentially), and Gaunce. But in essence he seems like he could develop into a decent center so that's where I'm a bit unsettled.

Not sure why they wouldn't qualify him though, might as well keep him in the system. He is still young so I would give him a couple more years, even if it is just at the AHL level

[Boudrias]

Benning wants the 3rd and 4th lines to be bigger. No room for wee folk like Schroeder. His days are all but numbered.

Schroeder is no Brad Marchand. Schroeder wants it so bad he drank the Torts koolaid and hurt himself trying to play physical. Now we know where the term 'popcorn fart' originated. I do not think he has shown

enough to stick with the Canucks. New GM and Coach so he might get another look.

[Shinkaruk_9]

Unfortunately, your best players don't play in the big rugged Pacific Division. Do you see any similarities between Schroeder & Richards/Pavelski? I'd love to keep him for one more year since last year was a tragedy season with the maniac coach.

Schroeder is a very strong guy. I thunk he had the best bench press or something of the sort during the draft combine in his draft year.

[Nuxfanabroad]

The effect of AV/Torts calling the shots was a pretty major variable. How does it compare to Martin/Therien? Smallish/younger fwds would have gotten a longer look in Mtl(last half-decade).

Now of course the divisions change, & we're dealing with the elephantine-Pacific. Between Santo & Schroeder, I'd guess only 1 really gets a chance. I like these two, & think they both have nice upside, especially playing with sizeable wigers.

[Smashian Kassian]

In all honesty my thoughts on Schroeder are:

In 2012/13 under AV I thought he showed really good signs of progression, he showed how he can be a slick playmaker, and how he can create offense for his teammates, and I thought he could become the 3rd line center for us and fill the role we had Hodgson in the following season.

Last year though, I really felt like out style of game really hindered his game, we would chip it in and go get it, there wasn't alot of freedom for creativity. And he wasn't used to his strengths. Also to add to all of that, horrible injury problems, he came into camp after rehab in the summer, then injured right away, comes back, injured right away again, not injuries that signal a fragile player, just injuries that happen, and it was a battle to over come them like it would be for anyone.

I feel like if he was used to his strengths, after getting this summer to train & be ready (not rehab), he could easily be a 3rd line center for us, the Hodgson role as I said, put up decent points, be a secondary offensive option, a key player on the 2nd unit PP, exc. And I am optimistic that with Benning talking about going to an offensive uptempo game, that if given the opportunity he could build off the signs he showed in 12/13.

We will see though, Benning talking about size & grit on the 3rd & 4th lines might mean he's not in future plans, I hope we give him a shot I as still think he's got potential to be a good NHLer, but we will have to see.

[Pears]

In all honesty my thoughts on Schroeder are:

In 2012/13 under AV I thought he showed really good signs of progression, he showed how he can be a slick playmaker, and how he can create offense for his teammates, and I thought he could become the 3rd line center for us and fill the role we had Hodgson in the following season.

Last year though, I really felt like out style of game really hindered his game, we would chip it in and go get it, there wasn't alot of freedom for creativity. And he wasn't used to his strengths. Also to add to all of that, horrible injury problems, he came into camp after rehab in the summer, then injured right away, comes back, injured right away again, not injuries that signal a fragile player, just injuries that happen, and it was a battle to over come them like it would be for anyone.

I feel like if he was used to his strengths, after getting this summer to train & be ready (not rehab), he could easily be a 3rd line center for us, the Hodgson role as I said, put up decent points, be a secondary offensive option, a key player on the 2nd unit PP, exc. And I am optimistic that with Benning talking about going to an offensive uptempo game, that if given the opportunity he could build off the signs he showed in 12/13.

We will see though, Benning talking about size & grit on the 3rd & 4th lines might mean he's not in future plans, I hope we give him a shot I as still think he's got potential to be a good NHLer, but we will have to see.

I think we might just keep Schroeder in the AHL on the top line and use him for when we have injuries until he's ready for a full time job. Although if we move up and take a guy like Reinhart I think Schroeder will have to be moved.

[Smashian Kassian]

I think we might just keep Schroeder in the AHL on the top line and use him for when we have injuries until he's ready for a full time job. Although if we move up and take a guy like Reinhart I think Schroeder will have to be moved.

He will have to go through waivers.

He's shown he can be a good player in the AHL, at this stage for him I think we need to see it in the NHL so I think he stays up with the big club unless we move him.