nuckster33 Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 Oh how are future could have changed. Was looking at past drafts and this one stood out as a year that really could have turned the Canucks into a dynasty, and very very easily! lol 1979 1st Round - Vaive - good player and traded too early and really was a decent pick but passed on.... Ray Bourque Brian Propp Paul Reinhart Michel Goulet 2nd Round - Brent Ashton, again a decent NHL player but passed on Mats Naslund Dale Hunter (1000 pts) Dave Christian (pretty even) 3rd Round (now it starts getting bad!) Ken Elacott Messier taken with the very next pick lol (yes we know how much Nucks hate Messier but he could have been ours day 1) Neal Broten (was taken at the start of the 3rd round so could have been our second rounder 923 pts in his career) 4th Round - Art Rutland (who?????) Glen Anderson taken w the very next pick!! LOL 2 of Edmonton's key dynasty parts were the pick right after us!! John Ogrodnick 900+ pts taken start of the 4th, could have been our 3rd rounder Anton Stastny! Jim Peplinski 5th Round - Dirk Graham - decent pick who we traded Thomas Steen 6th Shane Swan Mike Krushelnyski Soo Just imagine if we made the right picks in 1979? What a team we could have built in that one draft!!! Anderson Messier Krushelnyski Stastny Steen Hunter Ray Bourque Ouch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 It's all hindsight and all but wow...that summarizes our drafting in a nutshell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goalie13 Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 Or, you could look at it another way... They took Rick Vaive. The next pick was Craig Hartsburg. Three hundred fewer games, half as many points. 2nd round, Brent Ashton. Two picks later was Tim Trimper. 629 career points vs 66 career points. 3rd round, we missed on Messier with a guy that played 12 games. Detroit was right before us and took a guy that played zero games. We weren't the only ones to pass on him. 4th round - 5 guys in the 4th round never played an NHL game. 3 more played fewer than 5. By the time you get to the 4th round, it's a bit of a crapshoot. 5th round - we got the 2nd best player taken that round. You think it's terrible drafting, I think it could have been much worse. I guess I just don't get why people torture themselves by looking back at past drafts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheels22 Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 Interesting.. But we all know most of them would have been run out of town anyway right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 ^Aw c'mon..Who the heck else would ride their stick like a pony, or have the gall to ask McKeach where'd he get his hair cut?! No player better embodied our brutal '80s, than the Tiger! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johngould21 Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 Toronto didn't win anything with Vaive and Derlago. All through the 70's every one of the kids the Canucks drafted, in the first round, played in the NHL right out of jr. I don't recall one of them ever playing on a minor league team. By the time they got half way through their first season, all of their confidence was shot, and they floundered throughout their careers. Don Lever, Bob Daley, and Vaive might have been the exceptions. Tallon didn't have a long career, Ververgaert, Govremount (sp), Blight, Jere Gillis, were really put into a poor lineup, structured to fail. For them, and any hope the Canucks had, to be a decent franchise, that failed to develop their own talent. Their best draft in their early history was, the year they got Smyl, Fraser and Gradin all in one swoop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 Toronto didn't win anything with Vaive and Derlago. All through the 70's every one of the kids the Canucks drafted, in the first round, played in the NHL right out of jr. I don't recall one of them ever playing on a minor league team. By the time they got half way through their first season, all of their confidence was shot, and they floundered throughout their careers. Don Lever, Bob Daley, and Vaive might have been the exceptions. Tallon didn't have a long career, Ververgaert, Govremount (sp), Blight, Jere Gillis, were really put into a poor lineup, structured to fail. For them, and any hope the Canucks had, to be a decent franchise, that failed to develop their own talent. Their best draft in their early history was, the year they got Smyl, Fraser and Gradin all in one swoop. Didn't they get Hanlon that same draft? Then they moved on to the flying V's..good ol' days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johngould21 Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 Didn't they get Hanlon that same draft? Then they moved on to the flying V's..good ol' days. I guess they did as well. I remember going to 4Rinks in late August to watch the Canucks and others working out before training camp in those early years. Hanlon was standing on his head making stops, when I asked one of the Canuck front office guys, I think it was Paul Popein, who the goalie was. That's Glen Hanlon, as if I should have known. One of the knocks on Stanley Steamer was his skating, in his second year he was taking power skating lessons one day while I was there. Those were good times. You could really get to talk, take pictures, or meet any player, certainly much different in this era, for sure. I used to sneak into the PC to watch game day skates, and watch both teams. Now they have so much security, you can't get near the ice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toews Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 Or, you could look at it another way... They took Rick Vaive. The next pick was Craig Hartsburg. Three hundred fewer games, half as many points. 2nd round, Brent Ashton. Two picks later was Tim Trimper. 629 career points vs 66 career points. 3rd round, we missed on Messier with a guy that played 12 games. Detroit was right before us and took a guy that played zero games. We weren't the only ones to pass on him. 4th round - 5 guys in the 4th round never played an NHL game. 3 more played fewer than 5. By the time you get to the 4th round, it's a bit of a crapshoot. 5th round - we got the 2nd best player taken that round. You think it's terrible drafting, I think it could have been much worse. I guess I just don't get why people torture themselves by looking back at past drafts. I hate how people seem to think the Wings can do no wrong. News flash this is 1979, Gordie Howe has retired and from 67-83 Detroit made the playoffs only twice. They drafted Yzerman in 83 which then led to a slow climb out of the gutter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benchsplinters Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 Hindsight sure has its advantages for those who make a life of being critical. Trying to make this a debatable point is senseless. Imagine trying to tear yourself apart for a mistake you made in buying something that did not turn out right for you. That is life and it is also water under the bridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuckster33 Posted May 24, 2014 Author Share Posted May 24, 2014 Hindsight sure has its advantages for those who make a life of being critical. Trying to make this a debatable point is senseless. Imagine trying to tear yourself apart for a mistake you made in buying something that did not turn out right for you. That is life and it is also water under the bridge. yet your whole response is being critical ironic really, its just a sarcastic, interesting post given all the clamoring about how bad our drafting has been recently learn to relax and not be so angry, try yoga, try meditation not everything is written as some serious, angry, commentary, the fact you assume it is, says more about your mindspace than anyone else be well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Ed Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 It was more painful to see Messier name again. Can we just have a forum wide ban on that name? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goalie13 Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 I hate how people seem to think the Wings can do no wrong. News flash this is 1979, Gordie Howe has retired and from 67-83 Detroit made the playoffs only twice. They drafted Yzerman in 83 which then led to a slow climb out of the gutter. What does that have to do with the topic? I simply pointed out that Detroit had the previous pick and had just as bad a result with that pick. It could have been anyone. They just happened to be the team that picked right before. It had nothing to do with them being Detroit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6YPE Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 It was more painful to see Messier name again. Can we just have a forum wide ban on that name? Maybe they can autocorrect it to say donkey, when you type his name in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeZzy Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 I have my doubts about Messier becoming a good player without Gretzky around. There was much talk about him not having the right attitude early in his career. Glenn Anderson was a mediocre player without Gretzky. Just look at Cam Neely. While having the physical tools is a good start, but you need to be in the right situation to excel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuckster33 Posted May 24, 2014 Author Share Posted May 24, 2014 I have my doubts about Messier becoming a good player without Gretzky around. There was much talk about him not having the right attitude early in his career. Glenn Anderson was a mediocre player without Gretzky. Just look at Cam Neely. While having the physical tools is a good start, but you need to be in the right situation to excel. Cam Neely was a stud as a rookie here, I remember it. It was an awful trade, we all could see that at worst he would have been a Lucic player. Sure no one saw the 50 goals but as a dominant power forward yes it was clear...i remember being upset when he was moved, perhaps you are too young. As for Messier and Anderson, same holds, yes Gretz had an impact but they both undeniably had terrific skill, speed, and leadership. You can't really suggest that the only reason 2 players are in the hall of fame is because of Gretzky....I am pretty sure their abilities had something to do with it too, perhaps not Hall of Famers if the Nucks had drafted them but would have been amazing players regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viking mama Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 I still think 2007 was the ugliest draft year for the 'Nucks. NOBODY emerged from among their draft picks that year to play for them.... or for any other team in the NHL. That was the Patrick White draft & debaucle. They could have selected yet passed on....PK Subban, David Perron, Yannick Weber, Wayne Simmonds, Jaimie Benn, Jake Muzzin, Carl Hagelin, & Keith Aulie. The silver-lining is that in 2009.. the 'Nucks unloaded White & Rahimi onto the Sharks for Christian Ehrhoff & Brad Lukowich...& this ranks as one of the better trades that the 'Nucks have made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toews Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 What does that have to do with the topic? I simply pointed out that Detroit had the previous pick and had just as bad a result with that pick. It could have been anyone. They just happened to be the team that picked right before. It had nothing to do with them being Detroit. The topic is stupid and prompts no discussion whatsoever. Every team passes on good players to select busts. I got the impression from your post that 'if Detroit missed out on the pick, then we cannot be blamed either'. People think of Detroit as this model organization that can do no wrong but they forget that they were at one point one of the worst franchises in pro sports. If that is not what you were implying then I take that back but based on the way you worded your post it can easily be misconstrued. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westcoast Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 Drafting Nedved is what set this franchise waay back.Would have been so easy to have gone big and had both Primeau and Tkachuck.Could have even ended up with both Martin Brodeur and Jaromir Jagr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpt Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 so 3 players in the 2nd round turned out better than our pick. I guess the 20+ other teams sucked at drafting too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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