Go Faulk Yourself Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 For quite a while now, Chris Tanev has been improving consistently each year in the NHL. His new contract likely won't be that much, but I'm not here to discuss what his contract will be. I'm here to discuss what is Chris Tanev's value in a trade. I see people pitching him with our 6th and Hansen for the 1st from FLA, and I think that's absurd. I don't see Tanev that valuable, infact, it makes me believe he is highly overrated on CDC. But I'd like to hear from others on what you think his value truly is? Things to take into consideration are his current age, and where he'll be in 5 years when he likely hits his prime. He's been given big situations now and is our most composed defenseman, and he's starting to look like he has some offensive upside to him, but how much more does he have? ---------- Just my 2 cents, but I think Tanev is a #4 defenseman, I think that's his ceiling. I don't think he has Top-2 potential like I see people say oh-so often, and I don't think his offensive game will be as impressive as some might think it will end up being. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppleJack Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 Are you trying to make me cry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go Faulk Yourself Posted May 30, 2014 Author Share Posted May 30, 2014 Are you trying to make me cry No, I'm just wondering how other people value him. Obviously there's me who thinks he's overrated and he's not what everyone is selling in trade proposals where he's being offered for the 1st overall or 2nd overall pick, while there are other people who think he has that top-2 potential, and is a valuable trade asset that can fetch a lot, and believe he is underrated. I'd like to see where the consensus is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outsiders Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 He should be use to trade up to either 1st overall or 2nd overall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppleJack Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 I am obviously probably one of the people who 'over value' him since he is one of my favorite players. I obviously rather we didn't trade him and got someone who could groom him and help with his development. One of the reasons I love Tanev so much is that he already had good hockey sense, seems to read the play well, the usual stuff. Yet he also seems to have improved quite a lot in the last few years. I think if he gained a bit of weight- so he wasn't rocked around so much- and didn't have to block so many shots, cover for certain players mistakes i am looking at you EDLER. Tanev will become a D stud. He may never be a weber, or a super star but I think he is a good soiild player that helps our team. The kid also seems to play with heart and is quite frankly adorable in his interviews. (its me you knew I would say something fangirly about Tanev). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keslerific Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 A late first rounder. He's more valuable to keep in my opinion. Pair him up with Edler to help cover Edlers mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadcanucks Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 Are you trying to make me cry I don't mean to hurt anyone's feelings, but I'm with Faulk on this one... There's lots of good things about Tanev...he's very good in our half of the ice...he's gotten better inside the opposing team's blue line, and he's shown that he can be effective jumping in and joining the offensive zone play...super high hockey IQ...fundamentally, he's got the best pivot of any Canucks d-man since Brett Hedican and seldom gets beaten one-on-one because of it...he makes the safe, smart first pass out of the zone more times than not (but when pressured, he's shown he's human), fearless with his shot blocking...is cool and calm... BUT... His offensive play has a ceiling (and I think he hit last year)...even though he's tall enough, he's too light (IMO, he needs at least another 15 lbs. of muscle on his frame to be more effective)...his shot doesn't make a minor-midget goalie flinch...he's shown that he's not durable enough to play a full season...his game seems to break down from physical fatigue...he lacks grit to his game... IMO, his ceiling is a 4-5 guy on the depth chart, playing 19-20 minutes, including PK time (an awesome complementary d-partner to a guy like a left-handed Bieksa); is worth a cap hit of $2.0M to $2.5M; and would be an add-on (and not a centre-piece) on any trades the Canucks would contemplate if he were traded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 Ballard, Raymond, and a 1st. Wait what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plum Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 Young 2nd line center. Kadri. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppleJack Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 I don't mean to hurt anyone's feelings, but I'm with Faulk on this one... There's lots of good things about Tanev...he's very good in our half of the ice...he's gotten better inside the opposing team's blue line, and he's shown that he can be effective jumping in and joining the offensive zone play...super high hockey IQ...fundamentally, he's got the best pivot of any Canucks d-man since Brett Hedican and seldom gets beaten one-on-one because of it...he makes the safe, smart first pass out of the zone more times than not (but when pressured, he's shown he's human), fearless with his shot blocking...is cool and calm... BUT... His offensive play has a ceiling (and I think he hit last year)...even though he's tall enough, he's too light (IMO, he needs at least another 15 lbs. of muscle on his frame to be more effective)...his shot doesn't make a minor-midget goalie flinch...he's shown that he's not durable enough to play a full season...his game seems to break down from physical fatigue...he lacks grit to his game... IMO, his ceiling is a 4-5 guy on the depth chart, playing 19-20 minutes, including PK time (an awesome complementary d-partner to a guy like a left-handed Bieksa); is worth a cap hit of $2.0M to $2.5M; and would be an add-on (and not a centre-piece) on any trades the Canucks would contemplate if he were traded. Hence why it would be better to keep him instead of trading him. Yes he will never be a star player but we also need consistent heart and soul guys to play on the 2nd line. This is where I think Tanev can fit, a solid guy who does his thing and helps our team. I actually like him paired with Hammer but it would be intersting to see him play with Bieksa another D player who does have problems with his game sometimes he is way to 'casual' and gives away horrible dreadfull giveaways but at the end of the day both these players are heart and soul guys. These type of players are what we need to win a cup, and I think (and yes I am bias) that trading Tanev= especially as something to sweeten the pot- would be a BIG mistake. (sorry I can't be more clear right now not feeling good but I just can't stay out of a tanev thread ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRussianRocket. Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 His value is probably a late 1st round pick/very early 2nd round pick but even then, the value teams would give wouldn't be enough for the hole he leaves except if he was used as an add-on to acquire the 1st or 2nd overall pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William_Clarkson Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 I'm here to discuss what is Chris Tanev's value in a trade. I see people pitching him with our 6th and Hansen for the 1st from FLA, and I think that's absurd. I don't see Tanev that valuable, infact, it makes me believe he is highly overrated on CDC. ---------- Just my 2 cents, but I think Tanev is a #4 defenseman, I think that's his ceiling. I don't think he has Top-2 potential like I see people say oh-so often, and I don't think his offensive game will be as impressive as some might think it will end up being. Florida wouldn't accept that. Especially since if Florida is selling the 1st overall they would get a lot more back. Tanev probably is a second paring D-Man on a contender (at his ceiling, which he probably will reach). He'll be a really good second pairing D-Man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magikal Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 I think he is a steal for the role he plays. He may not be a top 2 d man but $2M per year for a reliable young sound 4-5d man who can step in when needed is a role far too undervalued in this site. Keep him unless someone is willing to overpay a ridiculous amount for him or if he is a required piece in a deal for a premiere type player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucks155 Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 Whatever his value on the market is, it's not a fair one. Most teams haven't even heard of him and as result, we won't get much back for him. I think he's worth a lot to a team that needs a steady dman (Toronto, Edmonton). IMO, he's worth a guy like Kadri w/ us adding maybe a 2nd and something else (Higgins,Hansen,etc). High risk, high reward player with question marks in his game, as well as an unsolidified, for lack of a better word, spot on his team. I don't think any team would offer this, but that's what he's worth to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksSayEh Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 Look at guys like Hamhuis, Vlasic, Hjarmlsson and J-bo. None of these guys score much, all are vital to their teams, most Olympians. Tanev has been better defensively than Hamhuis for some time now. He's 24, only getting better. He has the frame, the skating and the smarts. How much better are any of those guys defensively? not much..if at all..His offense is getting pretty decent, all the guys above scored in the 20's save for J-bo(33p). Tanevs 6 goals is more than any of them (fewest games as well), and his 17p in 64 games is as good or better a pace than all but J-bo's 33p. This is on one of the most offensively inept teams in the league, without pp time.He has huge value to us, easily our best young player and I think will become a better player than any prospect we currently have.He is already our best D-man, and the gap will grow next season, and the next, and the next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peaches5 Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 Even Torts knew that Tanev was a stud he is going no where. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rounoush Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 Tanev wouldn't fetch much on the market but is invaluable to this team. That is why you keep him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azzy Mahmood Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 Tanev wouldn't fetch much on the market but is invaluable to this team. That is why you keep him. Exactly this. Tanev's value probably isn't even a 2nd rounder on the market. But him and Hamhuis are the two Dmen I'd classify as untouchable on our roster. You cannot find a bottom-4 Dman with Tanev's composure, potential, compatability and cheapness elsewhere. He has a place for life on this team, and no trade would ever realise his worth to our team. We have to keep him, pure and simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweathog Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 His value is probably a late 1st round pick/very early 2nd round pick but even then, the value teams would give wouldn't be enough for the hole he leaves except if he was used as an add-on to acquire the 1st or 2nd overall pick. This I agree with, I think Tanev + the 6th should be enough (or almost enough-might have to add a 2nd/3rd rounder) for the first overall pick. He improves every year, he's only 24, and he was a +12 on a team that couldn't score. He does need to improve in some areas, like his physicality, but overall a very steady defenseman that I believe carries significant value on the market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toews Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 This I agree with, I think Tanev + the 6th should be enough (or almost enough-might have to add a 2nd/3rd rounder) for the first overall pick. He improves every year, he's only 24, and he was a +12 on a team that couldn't score. He does need to improve in some areas, like his physicality, but overall a very steady defenseman that I believe carries significant value on the market. Like it or not most defensive defenseman do not command a great return. A guy like Hjalmarsson maybe more valuable to the Hawks than Seabrook but in a trade scenario Seabrook would fetch the better return because he has the offensive skills to put up points. Its why you hardly ever see guys like Hjalmarsson ever moved, they just don't command a big return and they are more valuable to the team than in any trade. Imo Tanev is in a similar place, he needs to put up points to get a significant return. Maybe there is a little bit of untapped offensive potential there but I personally don't really see Tanev ever excelling there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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