Warhippy Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 Before you read this. It is a perfect world where the rumours were true and one person waives his NTC. As it's about the only way this happens. Edler is asked to waive to the Islanders and accepts. (Credit Elvis for the original idea) Vancouver trades Edler Markstrom Hansen Gaunce 2nd round pick 2014 3rd round pick 2014 5th round pick 2014 Islanders trade Ryan Strome 5th overall pick 2014. The theory is that with Edler/Hansen it makes the Islanders and their brand new building with a healthy Tavares and a hungry Halak a much better team in the Eastern Conference. Hansen would immediately become one of the better full time bottom 6 players in the east and would greatly help a confused and lack luster PK Edler gives them a much more viable top 4 while paired with Hamonic and regardless of what Heffy might say does indeed give them a solid D man of the type they haven't had in a while. And I do believe Edler would be a serious threat on the blueline in the East Gaunce gives them that potential 2C or obvious 3C that they need by losing Strome. 2nd 3rd and 5th are all early picks giving the Isles something to walk home with in the draft this season. Strome becomes a potential 1st line C for the team. 5th overall gives us the 5th and 6th in this years draft. Now, the Rumour Kesler is asked to waive and accepts. Vancouver trades Ryan Kesler 6th round pick 2014 7th round pick 2014 Ducks Trade 10th overall 2014 24th overall 2014 2nd round pick 2014 (Toronto) Shea Theodore The theory is that Kesler makes the Ducks the immediate threat in the West. There is absolutely no question a group of centers like Getzlaf Cogliano Kesler Bonino Perrault and rookie/prospect Rakell makes the Ducks probably the top contender in the West down the middle They give up 3 overall picks in the first 2 rounds representing some significant early round picks but have the depth of prospects and the youth on all positions to make this edible for a chance to win it all over the next 2 seasons. Vancouver would get Shea Theodore representing a larger, rangier and more mobile offensive D man of the type the organization doesn't have. Vancouver would also net the 10th and 24th pick in the 1st round as well as Toronto's 2nd round pick at # 38. Vancouver would also net $10.25 million in cap space. Vancouver would now hold the 5th overall pick in 2014 6th overall pick in 2014 10th overall pick in 2014 24th overall pick in 2014 2nd round pick #38 in 2014 Before you jump on this for whatever reason and the future of the team in the short term. There is little or any way the team is competitive in the short term without completely mortgaging the future. This is all about a rebuild without gutting our depth to any significant degree. I am also aware of how poor this leaves the team for 2014/2015 but we also net over $10 million in cap space and can stop gap for the season if needed. This is, I believe a fast quick and easy way to rebuild the team with a serious eye at the future. From here any pick or 2 + a player like Tanev/Garrison etc (example only) can be traded up to Florida for the 1st overall while still leaving us with a minimum of 1 or a maximum of 2 picks in the top 10 + the 1st overall Just a theory, discussion or what if. Not as crazy as some not as bad as many I have written I think. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outsiders Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 5th - Bennett or MDC whoever is left 6th - Virtanen 10th - Ritchie if left or Fleury if Ritchie is taken 24th - Honka will fall cause of size Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 I like it. With those moves we'll be in contention in 2-3 years, 4 at most. 5th: Michael Dal Colle 6th: Haydn Fleury 10th: Jake Virtanen 24th: Julius Honka Dal Colle - Strome - Virtanen Shinkaruk - Horvat - Kassian Fox - Gaunce - Jensen Lain - Cassels - Archibald Honka - Fleury Cederholm - Tanev Stanton - J. Subban Lack Markstrom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Sestito Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 Warhippy please. Before you read this. It is a perfect world where the rumours were true and one person waives his NTC. As it's about the only way this happens. Edler is asked to waive to the Islanders and accepts. (Credit Elvis for the original idea) Vancouver trades Edler Markstrom Hansen Gaunce 2nd round pick 2014 3rd round pick 2014 5th round pick 2014 Islanders trade Ryan Strome 5th overall pick 2014. The theory is that with Edler/Hansen it makes the Islanders and their brand new building with a healthy Tavares and a hungry Halak a much better team in the Eastern Conference. Hansen would immediately become one of the better full time bottom 6 players in the east and would greatly help a confused and lack luster PK Edler gives them a much more viable top 4 while paired with Hamonic and regardless of what Heffy might say does indeed give them a solid D man of the type they haven't had in a while. And I do believe Edler would be a serious threat on the blueline in the East Gaunce gives them that potential 2C or obvious 3C that they need by losing Strome. 2nd 3rd and 5th are all early picks giving the Isles something to walk home with in the draft this season. Strome becomes a potential 1st line C for the team. 5th overall gives us the 5th and 6th in this years draft. Now, the Rumour Kesler is asked to waive and accepts. Vancouver trades Ryan Kesler 6th round pick 2014 7th round pick 2014 Ducks Trade 10th overall 2014 24th overall 2014 2nd round pick 2014 (Toronto) Shea Theodore The theory is that Kesler makes the Ducks the immediate threat in the West. There is absolutely no question a group of centers like Getzlaf Cogliano Kesler Bonino Perrault and rookie/prospect Rakell makes the Ducks probably the top contender in the West down the middle They give up 3 overall picks in the first 2 rounds representing some significant early round picks but have the depth of prospects and the youth on all positions to make this edible for a chance to win it all over the next 2 seasons. Vancouver would get Shea Theodore representing a larger, rangier and more mobile offensive D man of the type the organization doesn't have. Vancouver would also net the 10th and 24th pick in the 1st round as well as Toronto's 2nd round pick at # 38. Vancouver would also net $10.25 million in cap space. Vancouver would now hold the 5th overall pick in 2014 6th overall pick in 2014 10th overall pick in 2014 24th overall pick in 2014 2nd round pick #38 in 2014 Before you jump on this for whatever reason and the future of the team in the short term. There is little or any way the team is competitive in the short term without completely mortgaging the future. This is all about a rebuild without gutting our depth to any significant degree. I am also aware of how poor this leaves the team for 2014/2015 but we also net over $10 million in cap space and can stop gap for the season if needed. This is, I believe a fast quick and easy way to rebuild the team with a serious eye at the future. From here any pick or 2 + a player like Tanev/Garrison etc (example only) can be traded up to Florida for the 1st overall while still leaving us with a minimum of 1 or a maximum of 2 picks in the top 10 + the 1st overall Just a theory, discussion or what if. Not as crazy as some not as bad as many I have written I think. Thoughts? Warhippy please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted May 31, 2014 Author Share Posted May 31, 2014 Warhippy please. Warhippy please. That's not a thought or a quote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiggs50 Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 The Islanders rob us in that deal. Take out some picks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted May 31, 2014 Author Share Posted May 31, 2014 The Islanders rob us in that deal. Take out some picks... I don't think they do really. We give up some later picks for a potential 1a center and a top 5 pick for some picks a 3rd line player and two prospects. The winner of any trade is the one that gets the best players they say. A 1a center and a choice of MDC Draisatl Bennett Reinhart in the top 5 (Ekblad doesn't get past Buffalo) is a solid deal for some prospects picks and a 3 rd line player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absent Canuck Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 Islanders are paying a very heavy price to keep that 5th overall pick and they love strome. There is no way they are giving those two pieces up for quantity in my opinion. I appreciate the effort put into the proposal thought. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrChill Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 I think we give up too many picks, but really like the framework of the deal. Who would u sign as our other goalie?? Edler Markstrom Hansen 2nd round pick 2014 Islanders trade Ryan Strome 5th overall pick 2014. That should be fair. IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrChill Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 I don't think they do really. We give up some later picks for a potential 1a center and a top 5 pick for some picks a 3rd line player and two prospects. The winner of any trade is the one that gets the best players they say. A 1a center and a choice of MDC Draisatl Bennett Reinhart in the top 5 (Ekblad doesn't get past Buffalo) is a solid deal for some prospects picks and a 3 rd line player Right now, 100% they get the better player in Edler, defensemen are harder to develop and harder to find good ones. Strome could be a beast or turn into a 2c or even a good 3c. 5 pick in not a great draft? Could turn out or bust. They also badly need to win. They are a budget team, great cap hit for Dman signed long term... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweathog Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 I think they're good deals. I'd like to see the Islanders give us another roster player though. Mabye Matt Martin? We could use the cap space to try to sign Stastny to replace Kesler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 I think we give up too many picks, but really like the framework of the deal. Who would u sign as our other goalie?? Edler Markstrom Hansen 2nd round pick 2014 Islanders trade Ryan Strome 5th overall pick 2014. That should be fair. IMO This is fairly even as well. With giving up Markstrom maybe trade for a late first (25th-29th) and draft Demko? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucks155 Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 If Edler and Kesler waive, then I'd do both of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rahk Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 Snow is stupid but not that stupid. No way Islanders do that. Why not target Semin instead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toews Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 Your classic quantity for quality trade with 7 pieces going to the Isles. The Isles after the 1st round have 7 picks in the next 3 rounds. They don't really have any use for the picks you are trading, they already have a solid prospect pool. In fact the talk is of the Isles packing their own picks and moving up. Now lets examine the rest of the pieces. Hansen is not a player that the Isles need, especially not for that salary. The Isles have enough middle 6 forwards and cheap depth to fill out their roster. They could run with a 3rd line of Grabner-Nielsen-Clutterbuck, which is more than adequate. Gaunce is redundant for the Isles. In terms of center depth on their roster they have, Tavares, Nelson, Nielsen. In their prospect pool there is Strome and Anders Lee, both of whom are NHL ready. The last thing the Isles need is another center prospect, Strome will be playing wing next season. The Canucks could use Gaunce much more than the Isles could, he could fit in nicely on the 3rd line. Markstrom will be valued as a backup goalie. If the Isles really liked him they would offer one of their 4 second round picks in the next two drafts for him. Goalies tend to be undervalued and the Isles are committed to Halak. Edler is the only piece I see the Isles being interested in and I think you should keep the deal simple. Its hard enough to evaluate one player's value when you throw in like 5 pieces on top of that. Not to mention when have we ever seen in a 5 for 1 deal or in this case 7 for 2. Its just not very realistic and if I were the Isles and I was packaging the 1st and Strome, I would be expecting an elite player back not a struggling Edler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Sestito Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 I think we give up too many picks, but really like the framework of the deal. Who would u sign as our other goalie?? Edler Markstrom Hansen 2nd round pick 2014 Islanders trade Ryan Strome 5th overall pick 2014. That should be fair. IMO lol just dumb quantity for quality deals if someone came up to us and asked for the 6th + horvat for quantity, we'd laugh. it's not fair value, just dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaSwede Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 The idea is fantastic but it only works in theory. It is very rare that so many pieces are being moved. This isn't NHL 14 where you can just pile on assets with low values to get high value assets. I think a trade with the Islanders could be made to move up to 5 to secure a top 5 ranked pick in this draft. To NYI 1st Round Pick #6 Jannik Hansen To Vancouver 1st Round Pick #5 The Islanders would probably bite on that. Vancouver selects Micheal Dal Colle 5th overall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiznak Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 Too bad none of these trades are remotely realistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baercheese Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 This is fairly even as well. With giving up Markstrom maybe trade for a late first (25th-29th) and draft Demko? yeah a Dman that plays no defense, a third liner, a goalie that couldn't make the Panthers and a mere second round pick is "fairly even" for a top prospect and a top five pick. I want whatever it is that you're smoking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 Booth Schroeder and our 1st come on guys we need to get back to this. Panthers do it for their first. Bam draft Ehlers cause he's that good apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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