aliboy Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 I am not as confident as others that we are going to get some "super deal" out of this. Kesler got another year older this year, and thanks to the media other teams know he wants out. I would be fine with a good prospect or two and a high draft pick. I don't know about a super deal, but some of the deals mentioned are reasonable, like Oshie, Ratti, and a pick from the Blues, or Tatar, Fransen and a 1st from Detroit, but we can't take Fransen as he's had a lot of conscussion issues, especially lately. The people talking about two 1st rounders along with players and/or prospects are not being realistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiznak Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 We can expect quite a good return, as many teams will see that those options don't put them where they need to be. For instance, the Ducks and Blues won't likely see Speeza as an option, as they need a player who can shutdown some of the best as well as contribute offence. The options are actually quite limited when some of these teams consider an option in comparison to Kesler. The Ducks have Getzlaf, Bonino, and Coligano who can all play as the shutdown centers. They need secondary scoring, now that Selanne is gone. Spezza would be a good fit for them, because other teams will mostly like match up their top players against the Getzlaf line. So this will free up Spezza and his line to play in an offensive role. The same with the Blues, they have enough two-way players, on their roster. They need that offense threat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 What people expect from a Kesler return, is the moon and sky. That's not likely going to happen, especially when there are other options for teams in the trade market and free agency. If a team does overpay for him, that's great for us. But I don't expect much, and neither should Canucks fans. Analysts as notable as Bob MacKenzie have called Kesler "coveted." Others have suggested his age, contract and physical skills (size, speed) make him the most compelling as he does most to help teams win match up battles. But according to you we should not expect much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsedin33 Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 This trade will define the direction the current Canucks roster is headed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiznak Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Analysts as notable as Bob MacKenzie have called Kesler "coveted." Others have suggested his age, contract and physical skills (size, speed) make him the most compelling as he does most to help teams win match up battles. But according to you we should not expect much? That was 3 months ago, when Spezza and Thornton wasn't made available. The only teams (from his list) I see the need for Kesler are Tampa and Pittsburgh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdeath Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 What people expect from a Kesler return, is the moon and sky. That's not likely going to happen, especially when there are other options for teams in the trade market and free agency. If a team does overpay for him, that's great for us. But I don't expect much, and neither should Canucks fans. It would take the moon for the Canucks to trade Kesler. And if Anaheim wants the Canucks to trade Kesler within the division it'll take the sky too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 That was 3 months ago, when Spezza and Thornton wasn't made available. The only teams (from his list) I see the need for Kesler are Tampa and Pittsburgh. http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/ Look at the segment called centre's on the move in the video segment. TSN analysts debate Thornton, Spezza and Kesler. McLennan: "For me its Ryan Kesler!" This weeks news. I've heard other analysts call him the crown jewel available in the market. Look, I've posted that if I were St Louis or Chicago, two rumoured suitors, I would pick an offensive centre. But it did not change reports that these teams were active (this weeks reports suggest Chicago dropped out), just like Anaheim and Pittsburgh. Your still in denial if you dont think Kesler is in demand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 The Ducks have Getzlaf, Bonino, and Coligano who can all play as the shutdown centers. They need secondary scoring, now that Selanne is gone. Spezza would be a good fit for them, because other teams will mostly like match up their top players against the Getzlaf line. So this will free up Spezza and his line to play in an offensive role. The same with the Blues, they have enough two-way players, on their roster. They need that offense threat. They need someone who can help both special teams units & take pressure off Getzlaf. That's Kesler. Kesler is a better fit for ANA then Spezza IMO. Spezza doesn't fit PIT at all, Kes does. STL I completely agree with, Kes would be a good addition but Spezza would be my #1 target if I was running that team. He's exactly what they could use ahead of Backes down the middle. In regards to Kesler to Anaheim, Etem + 10th Overall + Perreault is a fair deal for both sides IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliboy Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 The Ducks have Getzlaf, Bonino, and Coligano who can all play as the shutdown centers. They need secondary scoring, now that Selanne is gone. Spezza would be a good fit for them, because other teams will mostly like match up their top players against the Getzlaf line. So this will free up Spezza and his line to play in an offensive role. The same with the Blues, they have enough two-way players, on their roster. They need that offense threat. This is ridiculous, if the Blues and Ducks had shut down people who could play at that level they'd have won. It was just proven conclusively that they don't have those people and there are few who can play that role at the same level as Kesler, and he also brings the offense and he does it all in the playoffs. Enough of this, the trade will happen soon enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sampy Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 They need someone who can help both special teams units & take pressure off Getzlaf. That's Kesler. Kesler is a better fit for ANA then Spezza IMO. Spezza doesn't fit PIT at all, Kes does. STL I completely agree with, Kes would be a good addition but Spezza would be my #1 target if I was running that team. He's exactly what they could use ahead of Backes down the middle. In regards to Kesler to Anaheim, Etem + 10th Overall + Perreault is a fair deal for both sides IMO. To add.... Spezza's caphit is $2Mil more and only 1 more year where he can walk. Anaheim will have given a big chunk for nothing. Kesler has a great contract. You won't find a single coach, GM or player that would pick Spezza over Kesler in the playoffs. Regardless, every team in the league want a centremen and there is next to none on the market, one team will ante up. Though I would like thy 10th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiznak Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/ Look at the segment called centre's on the move in the video segment. TSN analysts debate Thornton, Spezza and Kesler. McLennan: "For me its Ryan Kesler!" This weeks news. I've heard other analysts call him the crown jewel available in the market. Look, I've posted that if I were St Louis or Chicago, two rumoured suitors, I would pick an offensive centre. But it did not change reports that these teams were active (this weeks reports suggest Chicago dropped out), just like Anaheim and Pittsburgh. Your still in denial if you dont think Kesler is in demand. That's their personal opinion. Nothing, where they say Kesler is the crown jewel in the trade market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 That's their personal opinion. Nothing, where they say Kesler is the crown jewel in the trade market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiznak Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 This is ridiculous, if the Blues and Ducks had shut down people who could play at that level they'd have won. It was just proven conclusively that they don't have those people and there are few who can play that role at the same level as Kesler, and he also brings the offense and he does it all in the playoffs. Enough of this, the trade will happen soon enough. Anaheim is one of the better defensive team in the league. 9th in the regular season in goals against, 9th in shots against, 13th on the PK. However, their PP was 22nd in the league. They need a guy who can help them out on their second unit. Kesler doesn't seem to fit that description. I also find it hilarious, when people bitch about how Kesler never really had any legitimate linemates in his time here. But it's not like he will have any better linemates in Anaheim, if he does go there. So, how does that make the Ducks a better team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babych Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Anaheim is one of the better defensive team in the league. 9th in the regular season in goals against, 9th in shots against, 13th on the PK. However, their PP was 22nd in the league. They need a guy who can help them out on their second unit. Kesler doesn't seem to fit that description. I also find it hilarious, when people bitch about how Kesler never really had any legitimate linemates in his time here. But it's not like he will have any better linemates in Anaheim, if he does go there. So, how does that make the Ducks a better team? Question - how drunk are you going to get when Kesler gets traded? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiznak Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 To add.... Spezza's caphit is $2Mil more and only 1 more year where he can walk. Anaheim will have given a big chunk for nothing. Kesler has a great contract. You won't find a single coach, GM or player that would pick Spezza over Kesler in the playoffs. Regardless, every team in the league want a centremen and there is next to none on the market, one team will ante up. Though I would like thy 10th. Bob Murray could offer Perreault, Rickell, 24th to Ottawa for Spezza. Ducks wouldn't be giving up much aside from Perreault, who is a 2nd line tweener. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Bob Murray could offer Perreault, Rickell, 24th to Ottawa for Spezza. Ducks wouldn't be giving up much aside from Perreault, who is a 2nd line tweener. Rakell finished the year as a roster player for them. That being said, what's wrong with Etem + 10th + Perreault? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Off_The_Schneid! Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 I was all for the Anaheim deal of 10th 24th etem I was mentally prepared for it but this new news of TJ Oshie adds a totally new dynamic Oshie is exactly what this team can use and I've always been a fan of his. He's got some highlight reel hits and goals I don't know St. Louis too well so can someone fill me in on what a good deal with St. Louis would consist of including Oshie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Rakell finished the year as a roster player for them. That being said, what's wrong with Etem + 10th + Perreault? I would rather have 24th than Perreault TBH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 They need someone who can help both special teams units & take pressure off Getzlaf. That's Kesler. Kesler is a better fit for ANA then Spezza IMO. Spezza doesn't fit PIT at all, Kes does. STL I completely agree with, Kes would be a good addition but Spezza would be my #1 target if I was running that team. He's exactly what they could use ahead of Backes down the middle. In regards to Kesler to Anaheim, Etem + 10th Overall + Perreault is a fair deal for both sides IMO. Spot on. Same priorities for Chicago as St Louis I would add. Boy, I would hate if they had Spezza to play with Kane and Sharp! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Rakell finished the year as a roster player for them. That being said, what's wrong with Etem + 10th + Perreault? Dyu prefer Etem to Theodore? I can see why (more advanced, we do need another RW). But we can also add a RW in the draft at 6 and 10, and there is no PMD of note. I would hate to let the opportunity to trade Kesler slip without adding a premium PMD prospect. Its a bigger need than RW IMO and there is alternate opportunities to fill that hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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