Tom Sestito Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Looking at some recent proposals, let's do some role reversal. To FLA - 6th overall, Hansen/Burrows (if Burrows waives) and Stanton To VAN - 1st overall Reversed To VAN - 17th overall, JT Brown, Barberio To TBL - 6th overall. -- To NYI: Edler, Markstrom, Hansen, Gaunce, 2nd + 3rd + 5th To Van: Ryan Strome, 5th overall pick 2014. Reversed To Van: Green, Grubauer, Laich, Stephenson, 2nd + 3rd + 5th To NYI: Bo Horvat, 6th overall pick 2014 + 2nd round pick. -- To WPG: Markstrom, 2nd round pick, booth 50% retained, Dalpe To Van: 9th overall Reversed To Van: Hutchinson, 2nd round pick, setoguchi rights, tangradi To WPG: 6th overall Edit: Would any of you seriously do these trades? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil B From The Pack Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 legit lol'd +1 Reversed To VAN - 17th overall, JT Brown, Barberio To TBL - 6th overall. Edit: Would any of you seriously do these trades? Add Radko "GOAT" Gudas and I'm sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucks155 Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Some of these aren't accurate, but they're close enough. Good point, some of these trades are ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Sestito Posted June 2, 2014 Author Share Posted June 2, 2014 legit lol'd +1 Add Radko "GOAT" Gudas and I'm sold I'll add Gudas but Vancouver has to add Tanev. Also, I meant WSH - not NYI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Looking at some recent proposals, let's do some role reversal. To FLA - 6th overall, Hansen/Burrows (if Burrows waives) and Stanton To VAN - 1st overall Since Tallon and ownership stated they WANT to be competitive now....yes that deal would probably get done Reversed To VAN - 17th overall, JT Brown, Barberio To TBL - 6th overall. --Who? even knowledgable hockey pundits want to know who these are.... To NYI: Edler, Markstrom, Hansen, Gaunce, 2nd + 3rd + 5th To Van: Ryan Strome, 5th overall pick 2014. Seeing as how Snow once offered EVERY pick in a draft to move up what, 2 spots? and has dozens of questionable signings/trades and drafts under his belt as well as a new building an an owner demanding they be competitive now...ya that deal could probably get done. But the more likely scenario is Reinhart coming back as opposed to Strome Reversed To Van: Green, Grubauer, Laich, Stephenson, 2nd + 3rd + 5th To NYI: Bo Horvat, 6th overall pick 2014 + 2nd round pick. -- To WPG: Markstrom, 2nd round pick, booth 50% retained, Dalpe To Van: 9th overall That's stupid on every level, not sure who made that proposal Reversed To Van: Hutchinson, 2nd round pick, setoguchi rights, tangradi To WPG: 6th overall Edit: Would any of you seriously do these trades? Now, the thing is about the Fla and NYI trades is that ownership has given the green light in Florida to spend to the cap and be competitive NOW. Tallon will indeed do that. Any trade that keeps a top 10 pick in their hands AND gets them a solid player/players that can help them compete is most likely getting done The Isles NEED to be competitive as it is Snows death knell in management if they give the Sabres a top 5 or top 10 pick next season. They have a new building and a young and hungry team, Snow has also said he'd trade that pick for help on the roster where needed. Snow also has done SO many questionable things, the least of which is Yashin and then...seeking to sign Yashin again after buying him out. While YOU may scoff at some of these trades and thumb your nose up Tom, these GMs have teams with a literal decade of failure and more than a few variables dictating that trades could and most likely will be done. These are trades made with the roster and the players we have in an attempt to make their team better in the knowledge that they HAVE to compete. Meaning more picks or prospects won't help them. In the case of the ISles trade extra picks in the 2nd 3rd and 5th rounds can easily be packaged up and moved for roster help now or prospects/players in positions they need to shore up, that is why quantity with a smattering of quality is still valuable. This forum has the literal worst time accepting prospects not in this league and not even in the AHL have little value outside of potential. It has an ever harder time accepting that bad deals are made all the time, even in the face of everything that has happened to this org in the last 2 seasons. While a fan might not see value in a trade, a GM might. This is why they are GMs and this is why most proposals are clearly written with the "if everything falls in to place" addendum at the top of the page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Sestito Posted June 2, 2014 Author Share Posted June 2, 2014 If they're in a situation where they need to get to the playoffs, I'm fairly convinced strome and a top five pick can pull better win now players than edler and Hansen. Meh, I'll never get through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.Am.Ironman Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 I'd do the FLA one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrChill Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Depends what the team is trying to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gyllenhaal Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 To NYI: Edler, Markstrom, Hansen, Gaunce, 2nd + 3rd + 5th To Van: Ryan Strome, 5th overall pick 2014. Reversed To Van: Green, Grubauer, Laich, Stephenson, 2nd + 3rd + 5th To NYI: Bo Horvat, 6th overall pick 2014 + 2nd round pick. isn't this Washington? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 This argument is weak, because it is based on the notion that all other variables are pre-existing, in precisely the same way. Why stop there? Why not consider the moves we would make if ManchesterfreekinUnited were located in Newton?! WOULD Beckham commute from Cloverdale?! Flor is not Van as a hockey market, & the sunbelt will never don mukluks. Trade-talk is mostly speculative fantasizing; but apples & oranges should stay on their respective trees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 If they're in a situation where they need to get to the playoffs, I'm fairly convinced strome and a top five pick can pull better win now players than edler and Hansen. Meh, I'll never get through. I am not arguing that Tom, But we are not another team and we are trying to address what WE can give while still being competitive, not what a dozen other teams can do. There are to many variables for some of these to be turned down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 "WOULD Beckham commute from Cloverdale?!' On a short term, no longer a great player but a solid veteran, contract why not? I won't argue values of trade material but Warhippy is right about one thing, Garth Snow has done stupid things and is still a gm and his time is running out. Talon, other than the Chicago contract fiasco, seems to be a decent gm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithers joe Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 i'ld be more interested in what these teams would want from us, compared to what we want to give them....then you got something to discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xbox Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Did someone really think Edler, Hansen and a pick or Markstrom would get us a prospect as good as Ryan Strome? Man I wish I lived in that la-la land. Since when is a -39 player considered a "win now" player? Just because they aren't young doesn't mean they're "win now". Not talking about Kesler here, because he obviously is a win now guy but more so the other common names in trade proposals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Did someone really think Edler, Hansen and a pick or Markstrom would get us a prospect as good as Ryan Strome? Man I wish I lived in that la-la land. Since when is a -39 player considered a "win now" player? Just because they aren't young doesn't mean they're "win now". Not talking about Kesler here, because he obviously is a win now guy but more so the other common names in trade proposals. Yes, & someone thought Pha9, Clarkeson & #81 Dumplin' were worth 20 mill 'til eternity. Apparently impossible is nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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