Nuxfanabroad Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 So what'll ya have first?..the good news or,..ahh, heck, let's start with the bad! The LA Kings ARE the real deal..& it pains me to say this. Was thinking about it, but there's a team they distinctly remind me of: early-80's New York Islanders. 1980-83 4x Cup winners. Holders of league-record, 19 straight PO series victories. Quick is like Bill Smith. Early PO's we were analyzing how the Sharks were chewing him up(he's over-challenging, yada-yada)...What's he do? Back to the wall, he runs the table. This is what Billy Smith did for a half-decade,+) -Doughty IS Denis Potvin. Both were premier, 2-way D of their generation. -Trottier?...Maybe Anze Kopitar? Both dominant either side of the puck. -Bossy?..Does ANYONE have a Bossy? Might not be another like him, ever. Clutch goals are more of a collaborative effort, largely from Williams, Carter & Gaborik. -Butch Goring(the first famous, TDL diff-maker; helped them to their 1st Cup).Interestingly came over from LA. I'd compare their CBJ acquisition of Carter in 2012. Although partner-in-crime, Richards is prob more reminiscent of Goring, in terms of style. -gritty depth scorers, like Gillies, Nystrom, Tonelli, Brent/Duane Sutters(I think?) & Bourne. They were just as comparatively large/versatile in that era, as LA's depth-guys are today. The Isle were intimidating in that they could beat you, any style you decided to take. Off/D/Grit...it didn't matter-they had horses for every course. LA's getting that feel to them. Even historically it' interesting that the NYI were only the 2nd team to recover from an 0-3 series hole(albeit, before their run of Cups). Sutter is starting to look(certainly not sound!) as shrewd as Arbour was. Now I'm rather terrified Lombardi might be even shrewder than Bill Torrey. He's assembled a reasonably priced, large, deep & young cast. They'll be good for quite a while. After the NYI's run, they fell off a cliff. The good NEWS?! Rival GM's must be noticing this too. The price for Kes might get high? We'd best be patient; & build a young, balanced & deep squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peaches5 Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 A rested Chicago team is better than LA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRussianRocket. Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 A rested Chicago team is better than LA That's a weak excuse. Every team goes through the same thing and Kings were the better team from the 2 this time around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gross-Misconduct Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 Trade Kes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted June 6, 2014 Author Share Posted June 6, 2014 ^This topic is not meant to detract from other squads anyhow. Certainly the 30 team, cap-era is more competitive than the 20 team(6-8 of them were doormats), early '80s. Just feel a similarity between these two squads. It wouldn't surprise me if LA winds up with 4 or 5 Cups from this nucleus. Wondering if any other old-timers see the parallels? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peaches5 Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 That's a weak excuse. Every team goes through the same thing and Kings were the better team from the 2 this time around. It's not a weak excuse the only reason why we beat chicago in 2011 was because they were tired. Chicago healthy and rested is the best team in the NHL LA is a close second but they don't have Kane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DYU3ster Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 It's not a weak excuse the only reason why we beat chicago in 2011 was because they were tired. Chicago healthy and rested is the best team in the NHL LA is a close second but they don't have Kane. Well the so called "best team" is golfing atm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetrPrucha25 Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 It's not a weak excuse the only reason why we beat chicago in 2011 was because they were tired. Chicago healthy and rested is the best team in the NHL LA is a close second but they don't have Kane. Because LA had such a huge rest advantage playing both of their previous series to 7 games... That is a weak excuse because teams are very rarely healthy and rested during the playoffs, especially by the conference finals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 It's not a weak excuse the only reason why we beat chicago in 2011 was because they were tired. Chicago healthy and rested is the best team in the NHL LA is a close second but they don't have Kane. Lol just because they lost doesn't mean they were tired. That's a sad excuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Undrafted Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 ^This topic is not meant to detract from other squads anyhow. Certainly the 30 team, cap-era is more competitive than the 20 team(6-8 of them were doormats), early '80s. Just feel a similarity between these two squads. It wouldn't surprise me if LA winds up with 4 or 5 Cups from this nucleus. Wondering if any other old-timers see the parallels? I'm a sort-of oldtimer and I'd half-agree with your observation and the parallels you draw in your OP. I think similar parallels in general team structure could also have been applied to the Habs dynasty of the late 70s. Everyone remembers Dryden, Lafleur, and their HoF D-corps, but they also had some versatile grinders in their 3rd and 4th lines, like Doug Risebrough, Mario Tremblay, Yvon Lambert; and great two-way players like Lemaire and Gainey and even Doug Jarvis for a couple of seasons. I'm not sure if LA can win as many Cups as you predict, mostly because of the salary cap. A quick look on CapGeek shows that they'll be able to keep their current core of players together next season, but after that, there's a lot of contractual uncertainty, not to mention those players will be a couple of years older by then. I'm not sure if this is anything significant that GMs can model their franchises with, either. Whether we're talking about the late 70s Habs, the early 80s Isles, or the current Kings (and Hawks), I think the basic common denominator is simply line-up depth. Even when the Canucks were the Western Conference powerhouse four years ago, one of the key things was their depth—they used to be able to roll four lines back then and send out the bottom d-pair without fear. The decline that's followed has been the result of that depth being severely diminished, especially at forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrible.dee Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 So what'll ya have first?..the good news or,..ahh, heck, let's start with the bad! The LA Kings ARE the real deal..& it pains me to say this. Was thinking about it, but there's a team they distinctly remind me of: early-80's New York Islanders. 1980-83 4x Cup winners. Holders of league-record, 19 straight PO series victories. Quick is like Bill Smith. Early PO's we were analyzing how the Sharks were chewing him up(he's over-challenging, yada-yada)...What's he do? Back to the wall, he runs the table. This is what Billy Smith did for a half-decade,+) -Doughty IS Denis Potvin. Both were premier, 2-way D of their generation. -Trottier?...Maybe Anze Kopitar? Both dominant either side of the puck. -Bossy?..Does ANYONE have a Bossy? Might not be another like him, ever. Clutch goals are more of a collaborative effort, largely from Williams, Carter & Gaborik. -Butch Goring(the first famous, TDL diff-maker; helped them to their 1st Cup).Interestingly came over from LA. I'd compare their CBJ acquisition of Carter in 2012. Although partner-in-crime, Richards is prob more reminiscent of Goring, in terms of style. -gritty depth scorers, like Gillies, Nystrom, Tonelli, Brent/Duane Sutters(I think?) & Bourne. They were just as comparatively large/versatile in that era, as LA's depth-guys are today. The Isle were intimidating in that they could beat you, any style you decided to take. Off/D/Grit...it didn't matter-they had horses for every course. LA's getting that feel to them. Even historically it' interesting that the NYI were only the 2nd team to recover from an 0-3 series hole(albeit, before their run of Cups). Sutter is starting to look(certainly not sound!) as shrewd as Arbour was. Now I'm rather terrified Lombardi might be even shrewder than Bill Torrey. He's assembled a reasonably priced, large, deep & young cast. They'll be good for quite a while. After the NYI's run, they fell off a cliff. The good NEWS?! Rival GM's must be noticing this too. The price for Kes might get high? We'd best be patient; & build a young, balanced & deep squad. That's so weird, I was just think the other day that today's kings remind me yesterday's Islanders Congrats on coming up with, what I believe to be an interesting compairison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MayRayDown Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 I don't think they. LA isn't guaranteed anymore cups and they don't have this one locked up yet plus I don't think they are a top 5 team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herberts Vasiljevs Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 A rested Chicago team is better than LAYou would not be saying this if Chicago had the lucky bounce in game 7 OT against the Kings... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Building Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 Very interesting comparison. Also, thanks for not suggesting that anyone on the Kings is Mike Bossy. Nobody is Mike Bossy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BabychStache Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 The closest player to Bossy in the league today is Stamkos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted June 6, 2014 Author Share Posted June 6, 2014 ^Touche'..darn good comparison. Forgot about Stammer. Now imagine if the Kings had THAT guy. Basically what teams were up against, early '80s. If Gretz, Mess, et al hadn't arrived when they did, that Isles cast prob would have collected 6 or 7 Cups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 The closest player to Bossy in the league today is Stamkos. The way they score is similar, but Bossy never had the explosive speed that Stamkos has. I really don't think there's been a comparable player since Brett Hull retired, but I'd say the closest right now would be Corey Perry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neko Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 The Islaners were my favorite team to watch back in the 80's and I had the opportunity to see the SCF games Vancouver vs Islanders, Mike Bossy was the man and so was Pat LaFontaine later on which is my all time favorite NHL player. Yup I'd say Stamkos is as close as anyone can get to Bossy, Jagr had a touch of Bossy's clutch style back with the Penguins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRussianRocket. Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 It's not a weak excuse the only reason why we beat chicago in 2011 was because they were tired. Chicago healthy and rested is the best team in the NHL LA is a close second but they don't have Kane. You're talking about tired? Ask the Rangers how they feel. They played like 5 games in like 9 days or something when the Montreal series were on. Think that's not tiring? They had to play very soon nearing the end of the Pens series and then were right back in action after facing the Canadiens...they overcame it, and I'm sure they are A LOT more tired than the Hawks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 So... Kings model now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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