Junkyard Dog Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 A message with anyone who wants to trade away youth. People need to realize that we have to improve our pool not trade it away. Horvat + 6th > 1st overall. I have heard people say Horvat is only a good 3rd line C at best? Scouts were comparing him to ROR and Bergeron and saying teams would draft him top 5 if they were drafting there... Youth for youth is pointless, we drafted the players we drafted for a reason. Youth for veterans makes no sense either. We need youth more than anything right now. Our core is not getting any younger. Stop this nonsense. Like really? Give yourselves a smack on the head. Hopefully that knocks some sense into you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Undrafted Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 You won't hear any argument from me on this. IMO, you're absolutely correct. +1 to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendan Gaunce Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 Horvat + 6th < McDavid, Eichel, Barzal but most certainly not < Reinhart, Ekblad, Bennett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 Aren't you painting with a broad brush? Example I gave yest, was a 3 for 2. You might trade 3 strong pieces for 2 beauts that fill a precise need(assuming they're also young). Say you get Sam Rhino..perhaps it helps you obtain his bro, in the future? Trade/UFA..who knows? There are a lot of variables to consider, in building the perfect hockey squad; so it's hard to speak in absolutes. Generally I agree with you, but in this sport exceptions often arise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted June 7, 2014 Author Share Posted June 7, 2014 Horvat + 6th < McDavid, Eichel, Barzal but most certainly not < Reinhart, Ekblad, Bennett Even then it would cause some debates. Also this is directed toward this years draft not next years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stexx Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 i hope if the canucks move up it is an older roster playing being shipped out for younger players and then using some of those acquired assets along with #6 to moveup. Do not want to see significant pieces of our youth movement shipped off for sam reinhart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted June 7, 2014 Author Share Posted June 7, 2014 Aren't you painting with a broad brush? Example I gave yest, was a 3 for 2. You might trade 3 strong pieces for 2 beauts that fill a precise need(assuming they're also young). Say you get Sam Rhino..perhaps it helps you obtain his bro, in the future? Trade/UFA..who knows? There are a lot of variables to consider, in building the perfect hockey squad; so it's hard to speak in absolutes. Generally I agree with you, but in this sport exceptions often arise. It is hard to find a perfect deal involving our youth for other youth. It is always going to be debated. If we are going to trade for youth then we should get rid of one of two members of the core. Our core is stale and I feel are too comfortable with themselves which I think is a bad thing. Raymond even has said that being too comfortable can be a bad thing before he revitalized he career with Toronto. "I've learned a lot of things playing in the NHL, a ton of life lessons in and out of hockey," he said, "and one of them is getting comfortable can get you into trouble. http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=690131 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendan Gaunce Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 Even then it would cause some debates. Also this is directed toward this years draft not next years. I know just saying.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 CDC logic. Traded Schneider for top 10 pick in deepest draft in a decade. Have highest pick in 15 years Trade highest picked prospect and highest draft pick for 1st overall in 2014. 2015, let's trade highest rated prospect and best prospect to move up in 2015. 2016 lather rinse repeat. 2017...crap we haven't won the cup Sedins might retire next year we have no youth See the freaking flaw in that logic? OP is right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 It is hard to find a perfect deal involving our youth for other youth. It is always going to be debated. If we are going to trade for youth then we should get rid of one of two members of the core. Our core is stale and I feel are too comfortable with themselves which I think is a bad thing. Raymond even has said that being too comfortable can be a bad thing before he revitalized he career with Toronto. "I've learned a lot of things playing in the NHL, a ton of life lessons in and out of hockey," he said, "and one of them is getting comfortable can get you into trouble. http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=690131 Yeah, there are many viewpoints/angles on the approach we take, but it seems all agree on the necessity of incoming youth. Some double standards are frustrating too. For example, suggest dealing the twins, & watch the hate/angst & vitriol. "We don't respect our vets", even the media will likely blurt out... But they don't maintain such strict standards down south. Like TBay win a Cup with a famous 'big-3'(LeCav,StL, Richards), yet now they've all been dealt(or bought out). Didn't hear media whine/nag when franchises like TBay change ownership, then rebuild, almost completely from the ground up. Seems there are too many meddling voices that would like to interfere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jai604 Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 I agree that trading Horvat and the 6th for a higher pick this year is a bad idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Belfort Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 If Horvat makes the team next year he would presumably slot in as our 3rd line center. He can only go up from there. I don't understand how people can possibly argue that is his ceiling. His positional play will allow him to excel and all he needs to do is adjust to an offensive game at the NHL level to slot in at 2 C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks-for-the-cup Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 Even then it would cause some debates. Also this is directed toward this years draft not next years. you would be stupid not to trade the 6th overall and horvat for mcdavid or eichel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted June 7, 2014 Author Share Posted June 7, 2014 Yeah, there are many viewpoints/angles on the approach we take, but it seems all agree on the necessity of incoming youth. Some double standards are frustrating too. For example, suggest dealing the twins, & watch the hate/angst & vitriol. "We don't respect our vets", even the media will likely blurt out... But they don't maintain such strict standards down south. Like TBay win a Cup with a famous 'big-3'(LeCav,StL, Richards), yet now they've all been dealt(or bought out). Didn't hear media whine/nag when franchises like TBay change ownership, then rebuild, almost completely from the ground up. Seems there are too many meddling voices that would like to interfere. Members of the core like the Sedins we should keep. They are good for the franchise and for the oncoming youth. Media can go frack themselves for all I care. Try to trade away anyone who even has the slightest idea of wanting a trade. Like Kesler. Nobody should say anything bad if the player wants out, especially considering the season we just had. The rumored declined trade from ANA was 10th and 24th for Kesler. If that's low-ball then I am curious too see the return in a fair trade or even an over-payment if teams are really interested in Kesler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted June 7, 2014 Author Share Posted June 7, 2014 you would be stupid not to trade the 6th overall and horvat for mcdavid or eichel With your logic I see why nobody would except Horvat and 6th for Mcdavid and Eichel so I wouldn't worry about it if I were you since that's the way you think. Chances are that we aren't drafting 6th next year so I wouldn't even argue about it either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 That's like saying you want MacKinnon but not Landeskog or Duchene. We need depth! More than 1 star/superstar is needed to win a cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilduce39 Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 Of course, we don't just need "youth" we need "talented youth" and as much as everyone seems to have a BO-ner he doesn't project to be the 1C we need to replace Hank. If we can get that anyone is on the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 I agree. You didn't see the established teams of today trade away 2-3 building blocks for one slightly better block. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 LA traded young studs Jack Johnson, Schenn & Simmonds to build what they've got. You can't establish 1 sweeping rule that encompasses all teams/situations. Too many variables involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CamTheCanuckFan Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 IMO you're correct. This team need young players, so why do people want us to trade them away. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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