J.I.A.H.N Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Simple, if you have the cap space and the money.....buy the best UFA's you can and sign them with no trade clauses! That's it! Very simple! Even if you over pay a little! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AriGold Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Mike... Is that you ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gretzky_Sedins Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 you forgot the tags! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted June 10, 2014 Author Share Posted June 10, 2014 Sure did....can anyone tell me how to put a tag on after it has been posted? Never mind.....got it...thanks anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJDDawg Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Lame. If you're going to troll, at least do it well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c00kies Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Never mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted June 10, 2014 Author Share Posted June 10, 2014 Lame. If you're going to troll, at least do it well. Hey Dawg It is not a troll.......so many people on here...... comment about UFA proposals by saying that it is too expensive, like it is their money. My point is that UFA's are free assets and should be used to remain competitive I would not pay $10,000,000 for Stastny but I would overpay to get him, same for Callahan, others as well...how much did we pay Sundin and he was over the hill? These guys are not. Don't see how sending out this message is trolling.... maybe you should realize that you are trolling my post. I invite you to be open minded and contribute Calling me a troll isn't saying you agree or disagree or why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William_Clarkson Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 I'm against signing any big name UFAs except Niskanen (if other D-Man are traded). Some of the younger guys have to get into the lineup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJDDawg Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Hey Dawg It is not a troll.......so many people on here...... comment about UFA proposals by saying that it is too expensive, like it is their money. My point is that UFA's are free assets and should be used to remain competitive I would not pay $10,000,000 for Stastny but I would overpay to get him, same for Callahan, others as well...how much did we pay Sundin and he was over the hill? These guys are not. Don't see how sending out this message is trolling.... maybe you should realize that you are trolling my post. I invite you to be open minded and contribute Calling me a troll isn't saying you agree or disagree or why? The thing is, when people comment saying it's too expensive, what they're talking about is that the salary cap doesn't allow you to build a team of high priced UFA's without sacrificing depth. Go to Cap Geek and try to put together a team as you suggest and see how many players you can stock your team with. In the salary cap era it's pretty well accepted that you need to build your team from within in order to be able to afford the quality of depth needed to win the Cup. Young and cheap are not words that are synonymous with UFA's. We've had a front row seat to this very issue here with the Canucks. Older players on long term contracts with NTC's that prevent management from making changes to the team as quickly as they'd like. The team loses flexibility and depth. There is no shortcut to rebuilding a team. We need to continue to build through the draft and through shrewd trading of assets. The UFA route makes sense only if you believe that the UFA would put you over the top for a Cup at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the grinder Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 why would we spend 10 million on one player we have 2 tied up at 12 million already another at 5 million 4 dmen at 5 million , we don't have cap space to sigh a big ufa , and besides how many ufa really work out for a team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted June 10, 2014 Author Share Posted June 10, 2014 The thing is, when people comment saying it's too expensive, what they're talking about is that the salary cap doesn't allow you to build a team of high priced UFA's without sacrificing depth. Go to Cap Geek and try to put together a team as you suggest and see how many players you can stock your team with. In the salary cap era it's pretty well accepted that you need to build your team from within in order to be able to afford the quality of depth needed to win the Cup. Young and cheap are not words that are synonymous with UFA's. We've had a front row seat to this very issue here with the Canucks. Older players on long term contracts with NTC's that prevent management from making changes to the team as quickly as they'd like. The team loses flexibility and depth. There is no shortcut to rebuilding a team. We need to continue to build through the draft and through shrewd trading of assets. The UFA route makes sense only if you believe that the UFA would put you over the top for a Cup at some point. I totally get what you are saying about buying old UFA's but Stastny and Callahan are not even 30 yet, and still have good years ahead of them. As for the point of fitting under the cap, I am sure if you check, you can move in 14.5 million for 2 players this up and coming year, with the cap going up 8M + the loss of Kesler (5M) +Buyout of Booth (4.25M) + Garrison (4.5M) + Moving a Hansen or other, we have more than enough cap space to both sign a couple of UFA's and sign our free agents and bring in some youth from our prospects. The point is to aquire UFA's as an interm measure, to stem the tide while your prospect develope. Loosing Kesler is a big OUCH and not easily filled, but well worth it if it brings in a gaggle of youth. Which can then develope in the minors and be brought as they earn it and not because you need them.....aka Edmonton and Calgary My main point is you have to have a plan, which includes UFA's and trading vets for young assets or picks....admittedly, there is a balance.....something again that Edmonton and Calgary didn't understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJDDawg Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 I totally get what you are saying about buying old UFA's but Stastny and Callahan are not even 30 yet, and still have good years ahead of them. As for the point of fitting under the cap, I am sure if you check, you can move in 14.5 million for 2 players this up and coming year, with the cap going up 8M + the loss of Kesler (5M) +Buyout of Booth (4.25M) + Garrison (4.5M) + Moving a Hansen or other, we have more than enough cap space to both sign a couple of UFA's and sign our free agents and bring in some youth from our prospects. The point is to aquire UFA's as an interm measure, to stem the tide while your prospect develope. Loosing Kesler is a big OUCH and not easily filled, but well worth it if it brings in a gaggle of youth. Which can then develope in the minors and be brought as they earn it and not because you need them.....aka Edmonton and Calgary My main point is you have to have a plan, which includes UFA's and trading vets for young assets or picks....admittedly, there is a balance.....something again that Edmonton and Calgary didn't understand. This I can agree with. It's a long way from what you said in your original post though. I just don't believe UFA's are ever the answer and I'm struggling to think of any team that has had success with signing UFA's to long term big money deals. Heck, we just went though a lockout whereby teams were given two buyouts in order to shed themselves of these awful contracts. I would rather take that money and sign two or 3 strong depth players to shorter deals in the interim while our youth develop. But that's just me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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