DownUndaCanuck Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 We've seen big, physical centers dominate playoff rounds before and lead their teams to Cups. Kopitar is at it again, Getzlaf and Thornton turned their teams into contenders, Malkin has lead the Penguins on several deep runs and it's hard to match-up against one of these teams without one. The Canucks have Horvat in their system who is realistically a 2nd line center at best, if we're lucky he'll pan out to be the next Kesler. We have Gaunce who won't ever play 1st line minutes, and Matthias who may break-out later but seems to be a bottom-9 sort of guy. Of course there's Schroeder who is the opposite of a big physical center. With Kesler willing to be traded to a contender, here are some big, powerful centers who can also score and will most likely be a 1st line center in the NHL in a few years time. They could well be the next Kopitar/Getzlaf/Malkin that every team is searching for these days: TO SJS: Ryan Kesler + 2nd round pick (maybe throw them Stanton or Hansen to sweeten the deal) TO VAN: Tomas Hertl (6'2", 210 lbs, 20 years old) Hertl was scoring at a 30 goal, 50 point pace last season with essentially 2nd/3rd line minutes which is rediculous. Whether he was a one-hit wonder or not is yet to be seen, but we know San Jose is going to blow up their team and probably get rid of Thornton and Marleau. Yes, they have Couture and Pavelski easily filling the 1-C and 2-C slots, which really takes Hertl's future job there. We've seen Kesler play the wing quite well and if there's one thing the Sharks need more than anything else, it's a proven playoff performer who brings his A-game in the playoffs. There's a lot of uncertainty with Hertl, whereas you know what you get with Kesler - a consistent 20-30 goal producer who plays big PK minutes and can be a leader (something the Sharks will need). That team wants character and Kesler is just that, which is why they'll happily trade away one of their best young forwards. TO DET: Ryan Kesler TO VAN: Riley Sheahan (6'2", 212 lbs, 22 years old) Sheahan scored at almost the exact same pace as Kesler last season, but of course he was a rookie leaving some uncertainty. You never know how kids will pan out and whether they'll end up busts, which is why a straight-up trade is fair. The uncertainty of Sheahan's development = Kesler's age. Of course Kesler helps Detroit instantly as Zetterberg, Kronwall and Datsyuk are all getting older and their contending years are closing. TO TBL: Ryan Kesler TO VAN: Alex Killorn (6'2", 205 lbs, 24 years old) I'm not sure if Killorn's still an RFA or not, but if he isn't we should go for him. The kid was essentially playing first line minutes last season and has improved every single season he's been a pro. Sure he's older than most of our prospects, but by the time our youth are ready to peak (3-5 years time), Killorn will still be playing well. Tampa do this because they want a playoff performer to take them over the next hump. Say we somehow score Hertl, here's our lineup some 3-5 years down the line: Jensen - Hertl - Shinkaruk (size/speed/skill all on the same line, similar to how the Kings are currently winning cup after cup) Kassian - Horvat - Nylander/MDC/Ehlers Sedin - Sedin - Matthias Higgins - Gaunce - Burrows/Hansen Edler - Tanev Hamhuis - Corrado Bieksa - 2015 pick/Cederholm/Hutton Lack Markstrom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSakic Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 you are under valuing kesler by a ridiculous amount its not even funny add more pieces from the other teams cause the Canucks are getting robbed also dont think SJ will move hertl at all they will move thornton or marleau before they move hertl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timberz21 Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 The only true physical #1 center I can remember is Lindros and he never won a cup. Getzlaf is probably the closest. But yes Thornton, Malkin and Kopitar are big, but I wouldn't consider them physical. Toews and Bergeron have won 3 cup and aren't that big. Plus Kesler is a big 1st/2nd line proven center. All the players your propose trading him for aren't. Yes they have good potential, but also aren't guaranteed to be top 6 NHL regular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canadiangunner Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 lol I wouldn't make any of these moves. Awful proposals, kesler is worth way more then that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2inthecup Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 We should be able to get Sheahan + Jurco from detroit, maybe a pick as well. Kesler will instantly make that team deeper and I'm sure they want to capitalize on the remaining years with Zett and Datsyuk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrible.dee Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 The only true physical #1 center I can remember is Lindros and he never won a cup. Getzlaf is probably the closest. But yes Thornton, Malkin and Kopitar are big, but I wouldn't consider them physical. Toews and Bergeron have won 3 cup and aren't that big. Plus Kesler is a big 1st/2nd line proven center. All the players your propose trading him for aren't. Yes they have good potential, but also aren't guaranteed to be top 6 NHL regular. Messier? Primeau ? What about Bakes these days? Trev in his day was quite big for the time and was very physical whistle to whistle. Forsberg played a pretty hard game, not at all like sakic's , Malkin is big a very physical presence for his team, And no-show-joe while he doesn't initiate much whistle to whistle will drop the gloves whenever its go time. No, there are and have been many physical centers besides Lindros, although he was clearly the best, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 Those are the worst deals I've ever seen for Kesler. Sheahan or Killorn straight up? Did you even think this through? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrible.dee Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 Yeah, these deals suck, They need to get the Draft and Kes trade over with ASAP, CDC is losing collective I.Q points by the day If they dont get this stuff over with soon none of us will even be able to type anymore It will be threads full of "Ugg......REihrt....Tanez and a 2nd........GET'ER DOOOONE" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil_314 Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 LOL Malkin/ Thornton/ Kopitar as physical Also, Hertl's not a center, Sheahan scoring at the same pace doesn't make him the same player (i.e. Torres' 5 points in 5 games does not put him on the same level as Pat Kane or make him better than Duchene, Toews, Benn...) and Killorn's an RFA (Tyler Johnson played a lot as #1 center, and so does Stammer, much less for Killer). No way it's worth Kesler straight up. So many mulligans in this post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watermelons Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 I'm not the biggest Kesler fan but he fills the role that you want better than the guys that we are trading him for. Kesler is the same size as them and I'd argue that he is just as, if not more physical than the players we are trading him for. So why are we trading him for a lesser player just for the sake of "potential"? I'd rather get someone with much better potential... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tangelos Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 Kesler's only worth as much as teams are willing to pay (economics 101). The fact that no team has met our incredibly unrealistic demands should suggest that he is not worth as much as we think he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 Those are the worst deals I've ever seen for Kesler. Sheahan or Killorn straight up? Did you even think this through? I don't think he was thinking straight up. it was the two main pieces in the package Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jägermeister Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 Kesler for Sheahan or Killorn straight up? And you think his value is that low, but adding a 2nd will manage to get Hertl? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted June 11, 2014 Author Share Posted June 11, 2014 People on these boards value the Canuck players far too highly. Did anyone see Schneider getting traded straight up for a 9th overall pick? No. You think Detroit are going to give use Sheahan/Nyquist/Jurco as packages? These kids are future super stars and first line players. Kesler has maybe 3 years left of 20-30 goal hockey AT BEST. He gives a team a current shot at the Cup, but all these guys I have listed are already playing better than him. Hertl was scoring at a 30 goal pace playing some 12-15 minutes a game. Kesler was scoring at a 25 goal pace playing 20+ minutes a game with much better linemates. Hertl's already a better player than Kesler is. Sure Killorn isn't quite at the same level, but right now these young kids are all scoring the same as Kesler is, and they're high picks with potential that is undoubted. Stop overvaluing Kesler, he's not going to bring us in a current forward, prospect and pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 People on these boards value the Canuck players far too highly. Did anyone see Schneider getting traded straight up for a 9th overall pick? No. You think Detroit are going to give use Sheahan/Nyquist/Jurco as packages? These kids are future super stars and first line players. Kesler has maybe 3 years left of 20-30 goal hockey AT BEST. He gives a team a current shot at the Cup, but all these guys I have listed are already playing better than him. Hertl was scoring at a 30 goal pace playing some 12-15 minutes a game. Kesler was scoring at a 25 goal pace playing 20+ minutes a game with much better linemates. Hertl's already a better player than Kesler is. Sure Killorn isn't quite at the same level, but right now these young kids are all scoring the same as Kesler is, and they're high picks with potential that is undoubted. Stop overvaluing Kesler, he's not going to bring us in a current forward, prospect and pick. Stop overvaluing him? More like stop undervaluing him. Players like Kesler don't grow on trees and he's the best two-way forward on the market this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurgerKing Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 Kesler's only worth as much as teams are willing to pay (economics 101). The fact that no team has met our incredibly unrealistic demands should suggest that he is not worth as much as we think he is. One or more teams told canucks, that they were not in a position to aquire Kesler at the deadline but would be better situated to make a deal at the draft. Also pit fired their coach and gm, the landscape has changed. MacKenzie reported at the deadline that PHi offered Schenn and first but Kes refused to go to Phi. Now he might be okay with Phi but Pit might be out. I don't think TB is going to give Killorn, they are still rebuilding, not ready to compete for the cup yet, Kesler is valuable to a team that thinks they can win now. Thats why I think Det doesn't work either, they already have two guys who play a similar game in Zetterberg and Datsyuk, they are focusing more on bringing their prospects in and allowing them to delvelope under the leadership of Zetterberg and Datsyuk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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